<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842</id><updated>2011-10-25T18:47:53.038+03:00</updated><category term='mp3'/><category term='radio'/><category term='webprofile'/><category term='logs'/><category term='greek ethic'/><category term='page aim'/><category term='Zacharias'/><category term='MP3 player'/><category term='profile'/><title type='text'>radio /gadgets/Greek ethics</title><subtitle type='html'>Radio,gadgets,comments and Greek ethics  and many more to come</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>22</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-7894245016054316802</id><published>2011-10-08T14:27:00.003+03:00</published><updated>2011-10-08T14:32:43.280+03:00</updated><title type='text'>This girl needs your help</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;This girl needs your help !&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;This title  might be somehow misleading as in the reality this girl is not a real person , but mere a fiction person designed by a frnd of me who is intending to prepare a fiction story based on the survey I just carried out&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A second person made several additions  (little exaggerated )to make same levels tensions between the interested members  of the story   &lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my part I only conveyed this research and just compiled the statistical results।&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Before of everything let me first describe  for what the story stands by posting the translated the  text into English&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div  style="margin-left: 40px; font-family:Arial;"&gt;Here is an interesting story tçat came after a discussion between my cousin - the founder if the idea - and other  friends and I just share to you!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please read the story &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;very &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;carefully &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;before replying ! (otherwise you l not get the story -it is condensed wording  )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In our story, imagine a girl of ca 20 years of age with a big dilemma to define her life’s future (and career)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She has the opportunity to manage a group of companies from her father ,as  she is for the moment honorary manager. She studies now marketing /management and already has offered many interesting proposals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Her mother is a tremendous beauty and excellent singer and instrument player (violin). She inherited both characteristics of her. Her first music album won great sales. As even nicer than her mom she has been picked and photographed for a magazine (and sharply raised the sales of that magazine) became Mrs Young and very shortly a supermodel. She now under accepting a proposal  from an international modeling house&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She now has a dilemma which way to follow. If she accepts  the proposal her career  will go international (and possible live abroad ). As a singer she already had many proposals including singing for Eurovision. Her business abilities helped also the company group well . Or in two words she is ‘the absolute star’. (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ie all need her same level &lt;/span&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are now under the help of her. Which way do you suggest to choose?&lt;br /&gt;1. Become a manager (business woman).&lt;br /&gt;2. Follow modeling.&lt;br /&gt;3. Follow singing.&lt;br /&gt;4. Find a solution to do all together???&lt;br /&gt;5 Any other solution?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;added :&lt;br /&gt;0: your rating of the subject ........../10&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Profession: ………………………..&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;      ------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;This was the text made in A6 papers for filling out by the persons questioned . My  method to do this  survey is a bit weird&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-asking first my friends&lt;br /&gt;-asking people ‘in the roads’ ie unknown  to me  , especially the  times I and my family enjoyed outside or afternoons, ie hobby wise&lt;br /&gt;-asking students as they are closer to the age of the girls in reference (a more systematic approach also by time ) .  I lived near the university before marrying .  And my aim was to stop after carrying out 150 leaflets .&lt;br /&gt;- and several  people via internet . This was the lowest response  rate as only 6 from 25 person s asked replied&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;    &lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Below are  the  results  of this survey  for a total of 151  leafs:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;A 53%     (business woman )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;B: 5.9%   (top model )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;C: 12.5%  (singer   )&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;D: 23%    (combination   )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;E: 7%   (other solution  )&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There were several cases in E showing by time combination eg  first to do C then A  that I added to the D case&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;BY the way  here are several of the [OTHER ] replies and I keep them all regardless of the stupidness of the reply :&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1। Mother (comment :possibly the  most serious of all, but she will have any career future?  )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;2. Do charity (a response  from a Theology student, still accepted but the questions remains  for her career  )&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Escape  from everything &lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;And two  stupid replies !&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. Become porn star !! (as Janne Jameson for example )&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. Become …….my girl friend !!!  (haha )&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Something about the option 4 : I had 3 replies ! Now it is a common sense that the  newly born porn industry will be possibly the only profiteering , as most of the other business  are gradually lowering । We are  now in the most difficult crisis ever&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=" font-weight: bold;font-family:Verdana;" &gt;Mean rating : 7.1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Students:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt; 48 responses  from the  above come from&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt; undergraduate  students&lt;/span&gt; Here are  the results:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A: 58%   (business woman )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt; B: 18,3%  (top model )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt; C: 10%  (singer   )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt; D: 16%   (combination   )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt; E: 6% (other  )  [are the 1-4 replies from the above OTHER listing ]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=" font-weight: bold;font-family:Verdana;" &gt;Mean rating :  7।4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As in result the students shown a bigger interest for top model career though combination number declines&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the comments  you will find my opinion too&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-7894245016054316802?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/7894245016054316802/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=7894245016054316802&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/7894245016054316802'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/7894245016054316802'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2011/10/blog-post.html' title='This girl needs your help'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-711304135756229471</id><published>2011-10-08T13:48:00.008+03:00</published><updated>2011-10-08T14:14:34.274+03:00</updated><title type='text'>Μια κοπελα χρειαzεται τη  βοηθεια σας (μια ερευνα !)</title><content type='html'>&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Μια διαφορετική έρευνα !!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Πριν από περίπου 1 μήνα και κάτι πραγματοποίησα μια πρωτότυπη έρευνα μετα από τμια αρκετά παράξενη ιδέα που είχε ένας φίλος μου .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Για να μην μακρηγορώ παρακάτω αναφέρω το χαρτάκι της έρευνας, όπου περιγράφεται αρκετά αναλυτικά και η ιδέα του :&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="4"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;font size="4"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Μετά από μια συζήτηση που είχε η τρελοπαρέα μας, μας ήρθε μια φαεινή ιδέα και ζητούμε την βοήθεια σας&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Σημ ¨Οπου τρελο-παρέα εννοεί την συμμετοχή 3 ατόμων Ο φίλος μου , ένας κοινός φίλος και εγω που κατέγραψα και συμπύκνωσα της ιδέα σε ένα μικρό χαρτάκι (4 χαρτάκια στο Α4 ) . Γραμμένο έτσι για να προϊδεάσει με χιούμορ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;font size="4"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Μια κοπέλα ας την ονομάσουμε Κάτια είναι περίπου 20 ετών και βρίσκεται σε ένα ‘τρι’λημα:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Τριλημα: δίλλημα με τρεις επιλογές. Λεξη γραμμένη επίτηδες για να δημιουργήσει εντυπώσεις! (ψυχολογικό κόλπο!)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Από τον πατέρα της έχει κληρονομήσει μια σειρά επιχειρήσεων των οποίων είναι επίτιμη πρόεδρος . Γι’ αυτό τον λόγο σπούδασε μάρκετινγκ και εντυπωσίασε με την ικανότητα της στις διοικητικές της επιλογές&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Από την μητέρα της έχει κληρονομήσει την εμφάνιση και την φωνή της. (Η μάνα της είναι φοβερή τραγουδίστρια) Με την άριστη φωνή της έκανε ένα άλμπουμ με μεγάλες πωλήσεις Από εμφάνιση ξεπερνάει σε ομορφιά την γνωστή μας Τζούλια . Στο ήδη μεγάλο ‘βιογραφικό’ της είχε κάνει εξώφυλλο σε περιοδικό (που αίφνης πούλησε πολλές χιλιάδες φύλλα), πέτυχε τον τίτλο της μις Γιαγκ και έκανε εμφανίσεις σαν top model. Ήδη της έκαναν πρόταση από το εξωτερικό&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Σημ:περιττό να αναφέρω ότι η υπόθεση αυτή είναι εντελώς θεωρητική । δηλ η κύπελλα είναι φαντιαστικο ατομο । Από την έρευνα που έκανα , κάποιος ερωτηθείς θεώρησε πολύ υπερβολική την υπόθεση , κυττα και στην επομενη σημνειωση&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: Trebuchet;"&gt;&lt;font size="4"&gt;Στην ηλικία αυτή ,λίγο πριν τελειώσει τις σπουδές της, σκεφτόταν ποιόν δρόμο καριέρας να διαλέξει .&lt;br /&gt;Σαν φωτομοντέλο πετυχαίνει διεθνή καριέρα. Σαν τραγουδίστρια έχει ήδη προτάσεις ακόμη και να συμμετάσχει στην Eurovision. Σαν επιχειρηματίας , ο όμιλος των επιχειρήσεων περιμένει τις ιδέες της.¨&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Arial;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Νέα σημ :Η Ιδέα του ενδιαμέσου φίλου ήταν να μεγεθύνει το πρόβλημα έτσι ώστε οι τάσεις υποχρέωσης της κοπέλας να είναι σχεδόν ίσες .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Εσείς πιο δρόμο προτείνετε?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;" /&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Α: Business woman ? Βαθμολογήστε το θεμα ! ............./10&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;" /&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;B: Top model&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;" /&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Γ: τραγουδίστρια&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;" /&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Δ: και τα τρία !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;" /&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Ε: άλλο (τι? )………………………………&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font style="font-family: Verdana;" size="2"&gt;Η έρευνα αυτή πραγματοποιήθηκε σε διάφορα σημεία της Θες/νικης , κυρίως στο πανεπιστήμιο , σε φοιτητές, γιατί υποθέτω είναι πιο κοντά στην ηλικία και νοοτροοπια της , στην περιοχή Συντριβανιου και στο Ρετζικι ΟΙ Ερωτηθέντες ήταν (αρκετοί) γνωστοί μου αλλά και αγνωστοι … Περίοδος περίπου ένας μήνας (αρχή με τέλος Σεπτέμβρη ), με στόχο να συγκεντρωθούν 150 χαρτάκια!&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Τελικά αποτελέσματα σε 151 χαρτάκια ¨&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Α 53% (business woman )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Β: 5.9% (top model )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Γ: 12.5% (τραγουδίστρια )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Δ: 23% (συνδυασμός )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Ε: 7% (άλλο )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Στο Δ συγχώνευσα και τις περιπτώσεις (περ 4) που κάποιος έβαζε πχ Γ μετα Α&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Τα άλλα (ολες οι απαντησεις σοβαρες η ανοητες ) :&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;1 Τζούλια !! (3 ατομα ! )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;2 ……γκόμενα μου!!!! (η πιο απρόβλεπτη απάντηση από ένα τραπεζικό υπάλληλο )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;3 μητέρα&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;4 charity –κοινωφελής σκοπός (αναμενόμενη απάντηση από μια φοιτ Θεολογιας! )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;5 ξεφύγει από όλα και ζει ηρεμη ζωη&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Τα 2 ,3 4 βέβαια δεν δίνουν ουσιώδη απάντηση , αλλά τέλος πάντων. Πάντως τα 3&amp;amp;4 το θεωρώ από το πιο σοβαρα&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Κάποια άτομα θεώρησαν την υπόθεση ιδιαίτερα επικαιρη। 2-3 άτομα την θεώρησαν ανόητη&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Μέση τελική βαθμολογία 7.1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Φοιτητες:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Από αυτά τα 48 χαρτάκια ήταν από φοιτητές। Επιπλεον 10 ατομα δεν απαντησαν&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Τα αποτελέσματα των φοιτητών φθέχουν ως εξής :&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Α: 58% (business woman )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Β: 18,3% (top model )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Γ: 10% (τραγουδίστρια )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Δ: 16% (συνδυασμός )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Ε: 6% (άλλο )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Μέση τελική βαθμολογία 7.4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;ΟΠως φαινεται οι φοιτητες εβαλαν σε ψηλοτερη βαθμολογια το top model&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-711304135756229471?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/711304135756229471/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=711304135756229471&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/711304135756229471'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/711304135756229471'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2011/10/z.html' title='Μια κοπελα χρειαzεται τη  βοηθεια σας (μια ερευνα !)'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-6556166955313942032</id><published>2010-12-11T16:47:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-11T16:49:10.742+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Several ideas for improving the e-readers</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;Several ideas for improving the e-readers&lt;/span&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;After using this e-reader I had several ideas for improving it but I am not sure&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;on how much these idas could be feasible&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;1. &lt;u&gt;Improve the contrast of the back screen providing that&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;e-ink tech permits&lt;/u&gt; :&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;a) by making the display&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;be more whiter . This display is relatively gray &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;b)&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the black to be even darker &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;to 100% &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;2. &lt;u&gt;Using zoom, un-zoom instead of the font resize&lt;/u&gt; &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;(font resize&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;to work as secondary feature &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;): &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;3. &lt;u&gt;Touch screen as added feature &lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;to the e-ink&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;tech , for a easier navigation , and more compatible to the Ipad &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;4. &lt;u&gt;And search function to work quite fast&lt;/u&gt; &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;. The E600&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;worked very slowly , tested the E1200 in the space of ??&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;but did nt work properly &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;And notice&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;that the idea&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;of&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;thin card displays was one of my ideas of &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;mid 80s . &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-6556166955313942032?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/6556166955313942032/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=6556166955313942032&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/6556166955313942032'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/6556166955313942032'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2010/12/several-ideas-for-improving-e-readers.html' title='Several ideas for improving the e-readers'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-3222306051520982171</id><published>2010-11-20T12:32:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2010-11-20T12:36:55.684+02:00</updated><title type='text'>e-reader turbo X  EB600 review</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Notice: this blog originally has been published /uploaded  to my main &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/reviews/item/137"&gt;multiply&lt;/a&gt; site , with updates kept in the end as follow up mesages and here is  just for a  special reason &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very important : Please look at the  coments on the end with many updates&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You may not know that&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am a avid book reader. Since I was young I was advanced by two yeas in the high school&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;reading books on maths and chemistry of the university . by the time&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;, as student of marketing and economics and the time I was learning English language I was&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;reading&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;American books of marketing advertising and public relations and nearly little later with books on selling&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;which was my favorite&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;reading . Since then upon the times I was adding in reading to some other specialized book areas such as related to radio and electronics , food and nutrition (a subject&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;that I am still interested) computer techniques and programs with some interest in photopaint etc , and till now&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;with some interest in baby caring , by reading magazines and books&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;With the advent of book searching via the net I have collected some vey interesting books&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;that some of them have already been printed …..&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;… until IO have bought&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;very recently&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;a e-book reader that is supposed to stop printing !&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;This&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;e reader have been bought&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;from Plaisio , a chain store&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;of computer systems&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and peripherals sold under the name turbo x&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;E B600 , which is the brand name of mostly OEM products from supposedly China . This e reader uses&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;e ink technology&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;a property patent from E ink company&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;using micro bubbles to orientate in a thin film screen &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;More onfo can be obtained from these sites :&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.eink.com/technology/howitworks.html"&gt;http://www.eink.com/technology/howitworks.html  &lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;/span&gt;and here &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadgets/e-ink.htm/printable"&gt;http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadgets/e-ink.htm/printable&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt; &lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;which is more analytical (the copany making this film )&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this article&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I will analyze my impressions&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;of this small and tiny reader &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;This&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;reader&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;is quite small , smaller&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;than A5 paper and quite thin , thinner than my &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;mobile phone using a 6 &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;inch screen &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 252px; height: 379px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/3/photos/119/500x500/2/DSC-6042.jpg?et=KgJDnnZSS5MNvvZZuQaCFQ&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;Its format&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;is very minimal&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;using 4+1 navigation buttons. At the right of this picutre   there ar the buttons for font sizing  &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 309px; height: 205px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/14/DSC-6017.jpg?et=95hwpSaghnYr8tBN1bvJwA&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; And hereis a picture  with the buttons on the left pane : First button goes for  multimendia (smething i am not interested ), lanscape mode , exit mode(frm eradding mode ) and property mode (all adjustments including status bar etc )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/15/DSC-6018.jpg?et=qQU%2BiHOyOOlMkr%2CVImCz8g&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;The company claims&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;that&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;a power charge&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;can support ca 7000 pages&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;or 30 hours of button operation …&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;Its inside memory of ca 375MB&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;contains&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the ebook guide in the main directory&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and n separate directory&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;ca 60 books in pdf format , which are under the public domain . Several of them are Shakespeare’s Romeo nd Juliet , Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, The art of war &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;and many others&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and only two Greek e-books &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;Navigation&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;is quite simple&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;- the reader is normally set to being switched always on&lt;/span&gt; . This is in contrast to most electronic appliances m because&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;once a page is applied , no electricity&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;required&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;to keep the bubbles in their position ! In its off condition there is still a picture on the screen &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;- A memory slot is also available &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;using SD cards  with memories  up to 4 GB&lt;/span&gt;, The company Plaisio &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;suggests&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;to insert the SD card with the power off … &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;- These are the&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;file formats&lt;/span&gt; that the reader&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;supports :&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt; pdf , epub, html ,chm ,txt , rtf ,prc and image  files as  bmp lpg and gif&lt;/span&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;-&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Directory  listing  is of 3 modes&lt;/span&gt; , the basic can show only the titles , the second shows&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the page name and a thumbnail of the&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;file and the third does it &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;on two columns &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 194px; height: 291px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/4/DSC-6045.jpg?et=usfC2I%2BG4MtiKdL%2CL6ACJA&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; This is the analytical mode&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 339px; height: 225px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/3/photos/119/500x500/3/DSC-6043.jpg?et=8bYuGxQTEcQ2p6CdEOboMA&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;THis is the landscape  file mode&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;-&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Directory listing also supports  direct access to the flash memory and files are  shown mixed  with a  descriptive mark on the screen&lt;/span&gt;. ON the above picture is this shown on the exterme right of the dir listing  There is ability to sort&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;files by title , by author&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;-Opening a file&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;is quite simple by just pressing the [enter ]&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;in a file . In just 1-3 seconds most files have been loaded, depending on the file size &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;. chm files&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;however require much more time , a 3.5 MB file requires about 40 secs!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;          &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;Once a file is opened , there is the ability&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;to change the font size with the buttons located in the right part of the reader . The correct page layout can be seen using the font off or size ‘1’ .&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The 2&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt; button from the left&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;can turn the view into landscape . This happens also in the dir listing.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;Navigation is made with the 4 buttons . Left and right up and down work correctly for the directory listings but in reading mode left/up and right/down arrows do same&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;work . Could expect  a better  solution &lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 236px; height: 156px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/14/DSC-6017.jpg?et=95hwpSaghnYr8tBN1bvJwA&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;Now , testing the reader I have found several interesting and peculiar things a follows: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;First  e ink is not 100% white . See this picture :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119/ebook_ereader_EB600_" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 278px; height: 184px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/1/DSC-6041.jpg?et=os44zDZWmicx0oqe3SXOGQ&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It seems  eink is 60% gray leveled comapring to the pure white&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;-&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Resizing fonts (numbers 2-7 )in pdfs with  layouts , destroys  the format&lt;/span&gt; in full separating the pictures at the ‘end’ of &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the virtual page . Landscaping retains the format in the font off option (1) but&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;splits the page into two parts upper and lower. Pages&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;with very small upper and lower margins&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;suffer from truncation ….(and that’s still debating in several cases )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;For example this page&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 175px; height: 263px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/7/DSC-6048.jpg?et=AWMgxFpcyetTEemEekezrA&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;wit font resizing  pctures  beasme this way . I think that  Adibe erader  which is built in did this fault&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119/ebook_ereader_EB600_" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 188px; height: 283px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/8/DSC-6049.jpg?et=6v5HVKcsURs2zTd9dDiTTQ&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;In most cases&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the fonts this way are still quite small , at&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;least 4-5 pixels . Possibly better results could be made&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;if the screen&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;could be 9 or more inches But &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;since these&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;big &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;models require more than …..€600 you can say&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;this is sufficient . Sometimes&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;a…. magnifying glass&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;can help a lot!!! &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;-Pdfs with scanned pictures result in just page&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;resize . Lanscape orientation can show normally the upper and the lower half into page parts &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 244px; height: 366px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/11/DSC-6052.jpg?et=F%2CljDgVxm0Ps%2BgNKg2bpjQ&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;-Landscape pdfs are correctly&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;shown in the landscape mode &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 369px; height: 245px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/10/DSC-6051.jpg?et=PxGHDdDAxXgg022epRNmqA&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;-IN a very condensed , small font , 3 column&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;file , resizing&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;it causes more small-ling of the characters size !! &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 265px; height: 398px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/9/DSC-6050.jpg?et=pmlowKCEylAPIHaT8giZDQ&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;- Table layout once font is&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;increased&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;from off&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;, is destroyed and text is shown as it was a copy paste from a html file into wordpad&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;- Most photos can be shown correctly !&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/119" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 212px; height: 318px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/1/photos/119/500x500/13/DSC-6054.jpg?et=%2Cyy3VnpZoKaCbrDgVdzRFQ&amp;amp;nmid=314299296" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;- Since the purchase I have used for&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;ca 6 hours with continous play . The battery was on the half charge as shown in the screen but in this time&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the battery was drained off though on screen it shown a ¼ charge ratio.I then charged for cxa 1,5 hr time&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and shown a full battery&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;but with just 3 minutes of button play &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the battery level was&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;back to the middle!!! &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;And on the end this is the question : to e read or not to e-read ? As for the moment &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I am with mixed impressions . Have seen some more moels on another chain store with somehow very small&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;price differences and on other models (Cool reader , be book ) &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-3222306051520982171?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/3222306051520982171/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=3222306051520982171&amp;isPopup=true' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/3222306051520982171'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/3222306051520982171'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2010/11/e-reader-turbo-x-eb600-review.html' title='e-reader turbo X  EB600 review'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-8038427883055526011</id><published>2009-02-07T20:06:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2009-02-07T20:12:22.967+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Μια  μουσικη ερευνα</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="moz-text-html" lang="x-unicode"&gt;Σχετικα με μια ερευνα ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Πριν απο λιγοκαιρο εκανα μια  ερευνα σε μια μικρη περιοχη της θεσσαλονικης μουσικου τυπου , με στοχο  να παρατηρησω κατα ποσο γνωστοι ειναι καποιοι παλιοι καλλιτεχνες κυριως στις  νεωτερες  ηλικιες&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Κατ αρχην μη νομιζετε  οτι ολα τα παρακατω ονοματα τα εχω υποψη. γμωριζω τους περισσοτερους  εκτος απο τους 2 ρεμπετες  αν και για τους  συγκεκριμενους  δεν ειμαι σιγουρος  αν ειναι παλιοι η καινουργιοι .Περιμενω απο εσας το σχολιο σας !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Λοιπον τι ειναι αυτη η  ερευνα:&lt;br /&gt;1. Η αρχικη ιδεα αναφερθηκε παραπανω. το αρχικο εναυσμα ηταν πολυ περιερο. Δυο μερες νωριτερα  ειχα διαβασει  καπου το ονομα  Μai Κuraki  μια αποτις  γνωστοτερες  τραγουδιστριες στην Ιαπωνια . Ανακλαστικα  το ονομα αυτο μου θυμισε μια παλια  ηθοποιο  του 60 ονοματι Μαριαννα Κουρακου (την θυμαται κανενας σας; ) , την οποια  συχνα η γυναικα μου την βλεπει  κυριως σε ταινιες  του Ξανθοπουλου ....Ετσι  συνειρμικα θυμηθηκα τα παιδικα μου χρονια με καπιους τραγουδιστες της εποχης εκεινης και ισως λιγο πιο μετα&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. H διαδικασια μου:&lt;br /&gt;Κατ αρχην  εφτιαξα χαρτακια σχηματος Α7 (μισες  διαστασεις  του Α5 ) με την  παρακατω  λιστα .&lt;br /&gt;Η ερευνα κρατησε 2 μερες ρωτωντας   ατομα απο το  κεντρο της Θεσ/νικης, κυριως γνωστους  . Σε συνολο 56 ατομα , 3 απο αυτα δεν ηταν  γνωστοι μου.&lt;br /&gt;Την πρωτη μερα  τα χαρτακια   εγραφαν μονο  την παρακατω λιστα , και τους ρωτουσα  την ακριβη τους ηλικια  (τους αντρες!) .Την  δευτερη μερα  διορθωσα  τον πινακα βαζοντας ηλικιακες ομαδες , οπου τσεκαραν κυριως οι συνεντευξιαζομενοι . Αυτο εγινε κυριως για τις κυριες !(δηλ για να  μην αποκαλυψουν την ηλικια τους ... )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Απο τα 56 χαρτακια , ακυρωσα 5 λογω ελλειψης ηλικιας (ηταν απο την πρωτη μερα )&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Λοιπον  &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt; η λιστα αποτελεσματων με βαση την  ηλικιακη κατηγορια¨&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table class="MsoNormalTable" style="border-collapse: collapse;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" height="368" width="599"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;     &lt;tr style=""&gt;       &lt;td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;div align="right"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="" align="right"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;b&gt; Ηλικια       &lt;/b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;20-30 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;30-40 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;40-50 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;50-60 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 45pt;" valign="top" width="60"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&gt; 60 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 42.7pt;" valign="top" width="57"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Hits &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;     &lt;/tr&gt;     &lt;tr style=""&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Κατερίνα Κανάρη &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt; &lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;1&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt; &lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;2&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 45pt;" valign="top" width="60"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;2&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 42.7pt;" valign="top" width="57"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;5&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;     &lt;/tr&gt;     &lt;tr style=""&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Μπαμπης Γκολες &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;3&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;5&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;6&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;10&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 45pt;" valign="top" width="60"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;2&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 42.7pt;" valign="top" width="57"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;26&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;     &lt;/tr&gt;     &lt;tr style=""&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Γωργος Σαλαμπασης &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;4&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 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width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Κωστης Χρηστου &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt; &lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;1&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt; 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&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;2&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 45pt;" valign="top" width="60"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;1&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 42.7pt;" valign="top" width="57"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;3&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;     &lt;/tr&gt;     &lt;tr style=""&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Τερης Χρησος &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;5&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 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    &lt;/tr&gt;     &lt;tr style=""&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Ανδρεας Ζακυνθυνακης &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;1&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; 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border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 45pt;" valign="top" width="60"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;1&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 42.7pt;" valign="top" width="57"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;5&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;     &lt;/tr&gt;     &lt;tr style=""&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Λιζα Κατικαριδου       &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 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      &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt; &lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;1&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 45pt;" valign="top" width="60"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;1&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 42.7pt;" valign="top" width="57"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;2&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;     &lt;/tr&gt;     &lt;tr style=""&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Ριτα Αμπατζη &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid none none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt medium medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt; &lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 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      &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;3&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid none none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt medium medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 45pt;" valign="top" width="60"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt; &lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid none none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt medium medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 42.7pt;" valign="top" width="57"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;4  &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;     &lt;/tr&gt;     &lt;tr style=""&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.4pt;" valign="top" width="163"&gt;       &lt;div align="right"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="" align="right"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;Ατομα που&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;ερωτηθηκαν       &lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;11&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;13&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;12&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 54pt;" valign="top" width="72"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;12&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 45pt;" valign="top" width="60"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;3&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;       &lt;td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 42.7pt;" valign="top" width="57"&gt;       &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;51&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;       &lt;/td&gt;     &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--&gt;Στην λιστα  &lt;u&gt;δεν εχω βαλει την σφραγιδα μου &lt;/u&gt;!&lt;br /&gt;Απο οτι φαινεται  για την ηλικια των 20  υπηρξαν περιπου οι μισοι που  γνωριζαν&lt;br /&gt;Τα πραματα ηταν καλυτερα  για την ηλικια των 30 και λιγο καλυτερα για την ηλικια των 40 .&lt;br /&gt;Αλλα οι 50ρηδες ηταν οι πλεον γνώστες . &lt;br /&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Μια συντομη  περιγραφη για τα ονοματα, απο οσο γνωριζω . Αν καποιος  ξερει κατι παραπανω ας  μου στειλει μια απαντηση / αποψη  με  reply  εδω . &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Κατερινα Καναρη / Μαρινα Γιαννοπουλου&lt;/b&gt;:  τραγουδιστριες στυλ Μανωλη Αγγελοπουλου /πανυγηρτζιδικα !&lt;br /&gt;για καποιους αναρωτιεμαι μηπως μπερδευτικαν  με την Μαρινα  μια ποπ τραγουδιστρια του 60 (γιεγιεδικα )&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Θανασης Χαρος&lt;/b&gt; :αυτος διαφημιζονταν  'το καλυτερο βιολι  της εποχης' στο 80.Μουσικοσυνθετης για τις προαναφερομενες τραγουδιστριες.&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Γιωργος Σαλαμπασης&lt;/b&gt; :λαικος του 70-80, γνωστος απο το &lt;i&gt;'σ αγαπαω  μ ακους&lt;/i&gt;'.&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Πολυς Κερμανιδης &lt;/b&gt;: γνωστος απο το&lt;i&gt; τα πλοια πεθαινουν στα λιμανια&lt;/i&gt; ,περιπου  ιδια εποχη.&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Μαριανα Κουρακου&lt;/b&gt; :  γνωστη ηθοποιος  του 60 συμπρωταγωνιστρια (?) του Ξανθοπουλου σε πολλες ταινιες του .&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Κωστης Χρηστου&lt;/b&gt;: τραγουδιστης της ποπ και ελαφριας απο την εποχη των 70 -80 . Αν δεν κανω λαθος πηρε βραβειο για το τραγουδι του  '&lt;i&gt;χιλιες φορες&lt;/i&gt;'  στο φεστιβαλ Θεσ/νικης  στα μεσα 70  &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Τερης  Χρυσος&lt;/b&gt; : σχετικα παλίοτερος απο τον Κωστη Χρηστου καπου μεσα στο 65 ? &lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ανδρεας  Ζακυνθινακης&lt;/b&gt;: βαρυ λαικος   κατα το 80 . Το πιο γνωστο του '&lt;i&gt;επαναστατω&lt;/i&gt;' .&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Λιζα  Κατικαριδου&lt;/b&gt; : η Λιζετα Νικολαου στο πατρικο της  ονομα. Μονο  καπιοι ποντιοι γνωριζαν το πατρικο της.! &lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;Τον Γκολε  και την Αμπατζη δεν τους  γνωριζω!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; Απο τα παραπανω οπως φαινεται ο πλεον γνωστος και σε ολες τις ηλικιες ειναι ο&lt;b&gt; Τερης Χρυσος&lt;/b&gt; (&lt;b&gt;35 ψηφοι &lt;/b&gt;) , ακολουθουμενος απο τον &lt;b&gt;Μπαπη  Γκολε (26) , τον Κερμανιδη (25) και τον Σαλαμπαση&lt;/b&gt; (24)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Κανενα αλλο σχολιο . Περιμενω τις αποψεις σας !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-8038427883055526011?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/8038427883055526011/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=8038427883055526011&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/8038427883055526011'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/8038427883055526011'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2009/02/blog-post.html' title='Μια  μουσικη ερευνα'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-242465757656788754</id><published>2008-11-22T20:08:00.015+02:00</published><updated>2008-12-14T17:06:38.312+02:00</updated><title type='text'>MEDIA publication offers : a good solution against  piracy?</title><content type='html'>&lt;h1 style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;MEDIA publication offers : a good solution against piracy?&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;Printed media enclosures are a custom in Grece many years ago . Below you will find some of the facts concerned with the history of media enclosures , by the amateur view of a media observer looking regularly the local newsstands, and referring with approximate times&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p face="trebuchet ms"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Here is a short parenthesis that refers to the status of piracy in Greece that explains in short the reasons media entered into these offers . In its 2006 edition IFPI showed a 50% level of music piracy for Greece , ranking them one of the top 10 countries in earth in piracy level. But considering that the lower salary todays in Greece is Eu 750 , the price of a legal CD is at least 20, is too expensive . The pirate CDs sell for Eu5 with pirate DVDs around 7-10.As far as I can remember this was also a quite long 'tradition' still from the cassette time , when tapes on 70s and 80s were sold in …baskets. But with the worst ever audio. Even music shops those old times had higher earnings selling cassettes recorded from LPs in their semipro decks . Today most of the market is driven by several mega stores in the main centre of the city and African people selling pirate copies Nearly all traditional music shops have been disappeared (except some selling only 'vintage' LPs )&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;The start of media enclosures came from 2 magazines of the early 90s using material in their monthly issues:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p face="trebuchet ms"&gt;· A hard rock magazine of early 90s , offered one CD with full albums from alternative hard rock groups or mix material from various hard rock groups.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;· A cinema magazine offered a video tape with selected movies of the artistic/alternative cinema. This magazine still continues&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p face="trebuchet ms"&gt;In about 95-96 a small size TV magazine was the first offering , a song collection, in each weekly issue , from popular singers in CD with full plastic cover . However in about 1- 1,5 year after , the magazine ceased its publications due to unknown reasons , possibly due to low market&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;Those times , if I am not wrong , was the times of coupons . One of them highest selling newspapers offered with ca 40 +10 spare coupons a big collection of classic music and little later another collection with operas,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p face="trebuchet ms"&gt;A specialized magazine called &lt;strong&gt;Pista&lt;/strong&gt; (stage ), same period , involved entirely in Greek folk music , offered one CD with 'underground' folk music promoting singers of the second and third class.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;This practice arose the interest of other magazines and publications including … detergents and other commodities to sell music CDs from that time. As for example a newspaper called El Typos , offered for several weeks one Cd with traditional song collection. Dixan the well known detergent offered Latin hits.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p face="trebuchet ms"&gt;IN ca 2004 &lt;strong&gt;Eleftherotypia&lt;/strong&gt; a left wing newspaper, "offering for the knowledge", as per their motto, was the first newspaper offering one VCD for free, with documentaries from National Geographic channel, in its Saturday issue. CDs were offered in carton envelope designed with pictures of the documentary . This collection has been replaced with history documentaries from BBC and later with movies from alternative stage&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;Soon other newspapers offered nearly the same:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Imerisia&lt;/strong&gt; , an economics newspaper, their offerings successor, in its Saturday issue offered DVDs from their collection ,mainly alternative movies , from the national and international cinema. This offer was with ca 2 Euro markup price , compared to the plain newspaper. It used the standard (thick )plastic DVD box&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;The next newspaper was &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;Ethnos&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;, offering selected movies from alternative stage , but soon changed the package into CD envelope with mainstream movies ..&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;From 2005-6 and then , nearly all newspapers and magazines (more particularly TV mags ) use CD/DVD offers in their weekend issues with mainly blockbuster movies :&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;The only exception is for &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;Kathimerini&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt; , a center line -politically- newspaper that continues to use the traditional 40x 60 cm format , uses documentaries from various sources including National geographic /BBC.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;And here are the most interesting cases form the nation-wide newspapers and magazines nowadays :&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div  style="text-align: center;font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The listing is still not complete but will add a few more entries as ASAP&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;Newspapers:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=4268331733750535842" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 245px; height: 163px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SShELZ05KKI/AAAAAAAAANA/RTZdYOqXYpk/s320/s002.JPG" align="left" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Espresso&lt;/strong&gt; , a gossip newspaper , in mid 2007 in its &lt;strong&gt;Sunday&lt;/strong&gt; edition , started offering a compilation of hits from Greek singers and still continues .. From their 30&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; iissue they offered a series of movies from classic comedians, as eg Luis de Funes . Starting March 2008 , its &lt;strong&gt;Saturday&lt;/strong&gt; issue includes a full album from legendary western rock groups Among the groups are Boston , Judas Priest, Saxon and others&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=4268331733750535842"&gt;&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SShELYi9OLI/AAAAAAAAANI/0zsztgvdMes/s320/s003.jpg" style="width: 246px; height: 214px;" align="left" height="214" width="246" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Thema&lt;/strong&gt; , the highest sold Sunday newspaper, offers blockbusters and sporadically Greeks. Movies passed via this newspaper are Zorba the greek, Miss Congeniality , Lake house , Blue velvet , Finding Neverland, Die hard 1 / 2 , keeping mum, View from the top ,Enemy at the gates and more Several fo these movies have after half and more year aired in the Greek television.In the mid November hey offer 4 Cd albums from well known singers ,one per week . Here on the right corner is Mitropanos one singer of more than 40 years of singing history&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;strong style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=4268331733750535842"&gt;&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SShELjVYy1I/AAAAAAAAANQ/psPB0_F2nyo/s320/s004.jpg" style="width: 187px; height: 229px;" align="left" height="229" width="187" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Elefterotypia&lt;/strong&gt; the above referred very popular newspaper ,once per month , offers a thematic 3-movie subject collection. There are famous movies but of the era of 90s and then. Several subjects so far included for Nazis , Agatha Crhistie , UFOs ,time plays ,thrillers and more subjects to follow. On the pic is the 3 DVD collection of Agatha Christie&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=4268331733750535842"&gt;&lt;img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SShELqgzVUI/AAAAAAAAANY/GwRfDjopuOM/s320/s005.jpg" style="width: 180px; height: 240px;" align="left" height="240" width="180" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ethnos&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; the above refered newspaper on August 08 offered for the whole month each 'working day' from their stock 'material' including from Thema's collection, that has more recently been acquired by Ethnos. They still continue to offer each Sunday with newer DVDs&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=4268331733750535842"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 261px; height: 196px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SShEL1qS6II/AAAAAAAAANg/gtNJtdWK8gM/s320/s006.jpg" align="left" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;Here is &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:trebuchet ms;" &gt;Eleftheros Typos&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt; another newspaper that offered a series books from DK on management&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;On August 2008 everyday they offered one CD or DVD from their collection with Greek movies each Saturday for example , or international movie each Sunday.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Vima&lt;/strong&gt; the most selling nationwide newspaper(after Thema ) , offers classical music every Saturday with the auspices of Deutsche Gramophon&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;Magazines :&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Pista&lt;/strong&gt; , the first music magazine offering CDs , is today publishing two monthly music magazines under the names Pista and Palko (both mean stage !)offering 3 CDs for a €10 price . &lt;strong&gt;Pista&lt;/strong&gt; os for popular music and &lt;strong&gt;Palko&lt;/strong&gt; for traditional music&lt;/p&gt;&lt;strong style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;Zapping&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt; : A quite popular TV magazine . In its 'full edition', they offer a 4 CD collection from popular singers , with 2 Cds each issue . Cost of full 4CD case € 14 .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Tiletheatis&lt;/strong&gt; : With contract with Finos - a famous Greek movie studio - they offer a Greek blockbuster movie from 60's Cost per issue: €7 comparing to 1.5 for magazine alone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;Another paradox example for company offering oriented enclosures:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;A series of publications, owned by a group that owns a TV channel , a book and mag /newspaper publishing house and several radio stations. .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=4268331733750535842"&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SShEWh2iQZI/AAAAAAAAANo/jKYbzc97r0w/s320/s007.jpg" align="middle" height="225" width="300" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;The publishing house called Modern Times , publishes the economic newspaper &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;Ependitis&lt;/strong&gt; (investor ). Starting from ca 2005 it offered in its only Saturday edition , one Greek movie of 60s in dual DVD , one cartoon in VCD and several pamphlets. &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;font-family:trebuchet ms;" &gt;A total of 10-11 offerings&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;. The CDs and DVDs are offered in carton envelopes. The newspaper stopped the Greek movies offer in the number 116 and then replaced with music CDs in slim DVD plastic case&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;The second side of the above dual DVD series was with one b/w English movie (40-60s? ), replaced then Italians and 'western spaghetti movies' (cowboys etc ) then with Sherlock Holmes (inspector )type series,(as well Rex the dog and Maigret ) etc&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;As for summer 2008 the newspaper offers two audio CDs , a summer hit collection of 12 CDs with 20 songs each (10 Greek 10 American of 60s ) and one CD with Greek poets . From September 08 they offer a collection of 30 Cds with rebetiko , the older greek folk format .On late Novemeber thay also offer DVD from international cinema with a total of 4 DVDs per issue!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=4268331733750535842"&gt;&lt;img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SShEW_pGnqI/AAAAAAAAANw/S4DuUsxXRNQ/s320/s008.JPG" height="199" width="300" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;The company publishes a weekly TV program magazine &lt;strong&gt;TiVo&lt;/strong&gt; on start 2006 in two editions. The full edition costed €3 and offered a dual side DVD for about 40 issues in carton envelope . The first side was with series of movies from famous actors. The second side with epic movies from Cinecitta and classical 'western spaghetti'. They then replaced the dual DVDs with simple Dvds offered in slim plastic case and raised the price to 4 Euros . IN more recent issues they offer 3 versions (1) a reprint of an old music magazine with 'western' music , together with one CD with 20 songs of 60s at price of 5 euro (2) version with old dramas and another from their collection and little later (3) a series of cooking guides (book and DVD ) with a diversification of targets for the 60s albums between Athens and remain Greece . and possibly due to low audience&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=4268331733750535842" title=""&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SShEXKfk83I/AAAAAAAAAN4/MciRF8eomIs/s320/s009.JPG" alt="" border="0" height="199" width="300" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Their newer magazine &lt;strong&gt;Avanti&lt;/strong&gt; , started as a gossip magazine on early 2007 , offering one Greek movie of 80s (mostly comedies). After 10-15 issues they offered a second disk with music collections from their radio stations and more recently a reissue of the mini series of Franco Jefirelli , Jesus. but continuing their 80s offer. From nearly end of 2007 they re-ofered movies of 60's in slim plastic case with western spaghetti movies together with the continuation of the series of 80s movies&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;This company is totally full issue minded. I once asked the company for buying several of their older Greek movie DVDs and they insisted selling me the full edition of Ependitis or Tivo !!! (magazine with all the enclosures )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;Another drawback for this media group: most of their DVDs had flaws in the video processing ,especially for the 2007 period.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyText"  style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:10;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Another  example of same company are the two music magazines:   Difono and Oasis . Both of these magazines are  offered  with 3 music CDs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyText"  style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText" face="trebuchet ms"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:10;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Difono &lt;/span&gt;is an old music magazine that recently entered  into this group of companies in a big paper  format 8.5 x 12”  . Its main orientation is  in the alternative music, though  ther new ownership intends to enter it to the mainstream music too.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:10;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/STGW7hRn87I/AAAAAAAAAOA/FvzQVG52URc/s1600-h/DSC_5610.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 213px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/STGW7hRn87I/AAAAAAAAAOA/FvzQVG52URc/s320/DSC_5610.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5274162587916301234" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Oasis&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;is a new&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;magazine devoted&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;to the Greek&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;folk music, edited by a specialist in this field . Most articles&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;are old interviews but it also discusses on today’s popular and secondary Greek&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt;singers. Also article previews of new release albums&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:trebuchet ms;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt; In the picture is shown the Dec's  Issue with Notis Sfakianakis (oneof the top singers from mid-90s ). ON the right bottom corner is a compilation  with his preferences , including  comments by him.Other albums are selections from wide known composers of the past&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/STJjfujeU9I/AAAAAAAAAOQ/zfxuWr2uhbg/s1600-h/DSC_5613.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 213px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/STJjfujeU9I/AAAAAAAAAOQ/zfxuWr2uhbg/s320/DSC_5613.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5274387510328185810" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:10;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;On the same magazine set , on the rear part of the packing,the  supporting cardboard  is printed with a painting.Ther picture here shows Chiotis a very popular singer and  &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouzouki"&gt;buzuki &lt;/a&gt;player of the 80s together with a samll epic for  this 'giant'  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SUUgneW1MbI/AAAAAAAAAOY/dGFiGI7Q5h0/s1600-h/DSC_5633.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 300px; height: 199px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SUUgneW1MbI/AAAAAAAAAOY/dGFiGI7Q5h0/s320/DSC_5633.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5279662000697586098" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;And more recently  the group acquired  one of the oldest  music magazines in Greece `Pop  and rock' magazine is now on its  issue  , using again the same selling  format. As for example for the pilot issue there are 3 Cds with music as shown in the picture at left.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By closing the subject , I asked a lawyer about the legality status of these offerings . His answer is very clear: These Cds /DVDs are absolutely legal as the CDs and DVDs offered in the stores .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-242465757656788754?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/242465757656788754/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=242465757656788754&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/242465757656788754'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/242465757656788754'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/11/media-publication-offers-good-solution.html' title='MEDIA publication offers : a good solution against  piracy?'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/SShELZ05KKI/AAAAAAAAANA/RTZdYOqXYpk/s72-c/s002.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-4949825472652837891</id><published>2008-06-19T18:13:00.000+03:00</published><updated>2008-06-19T18:14:12.609+03:00</updated><title type='text'>Bonkenc #3 : remain converters</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;BLADE ENC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a plugin offered from the program's web site as '&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;optional &lt;/span&gt;' . I have also installed it  for testing&lt;br /&gt;Blade  is one of the oldest freeware  converters but with closed coding  although recently ity has been open source . The version used is 0.94 &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/6/Clipboard07.jpg?et=2RxrDWubiF7dprwp9xFkPw&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you may see the  codec configuration  is very simple . Just the bitrate and some basic  adjustments with also separate channel encoding (the dual channel)&lt;br /&gt;Bitrates  are standard  with 32, 48 , 56 , 64 , 80-, 96 , 128 192  224 256 and 320 being the highest&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are the measurements  with BLAde&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;CD         WAV        b/W&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;320      &lt;/span&gt;14.19      12.9      22kHz   6.87&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;192      &lt;/span&gt;15,87!!    13.12     22 kHz  6.62&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;128      &lt;/span&gt;17.81!!    16.06     16 kHz /peak 800 Hz&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;96       &lt;/span&gt;18.53      16.75     -7 db&amp;lt;2.4k ,-4&amp;lt;16k,-42&amp;gt;16&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;48       &lt;/span&gt;18.46      16.77     -40&amp;lt;2.6, -17&amp;lt;-5, 7.5-16&amp;gt; -7.5&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first  column is ripping  time from CD of a song of 2,26 mins&lt;br /&gt;Secoind  columns from the WAV ripped  song&lt;br /&gt;b/w  is the  measured bandwitdth  in terms of db and kHz in plain  text . though it can sound too technical  will be analsyzed a bit below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;MY comments:&lt;br /&gt;As shown above  the  ripping times are slightly increased as far as the bitrates are  lowered! For me its is quite incommon but it is posibly the  problem with the coder&lt;br /&gt;For the bandwidth measurements , 192 and 320 are OK  as a  'store format'&lt;br /&gt;128 means  Hi quality FM format with a peak of the tone LA&lt;br /&gt;96  : everything below the speaker's voice is truncated  leaving just the trebles to be heard . testing  one song  converted from 128 to 96 , the sound was  quite 'plastic'&lt;br /&gt;48 :  the spectrogram showed a stair shaped drawing , meaning that  the 'higher tones  have higher audio level  ' . in plain language it means that there is no bass and the trebles have a bad mood. A  song cannot be heard  properly in this mode&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;OGG VORBIS &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ogg vorbis  format  , though i have rread somewhere is much more xcomplex thanthe standard MP3 format seems  here to be in a oversimlified adjustments&lt;br /&gt;As is quite known , ogg vorbis offers  quite better audio then MP3 (at least for the FhG fastenc codec )  thogh  from my measuremenrs below  the  new LAME  goes a little better !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/18/Clipboard19.gif?et=IoJEG5W2lVwix2e2y3hPvQ&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/19/Clipboard20.gif?et=bBoLk%2B8dCXoba%2B6NEIp1iw&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As shown in the two  ictures above the  adjustmsnt are very simple and seem tobe  very clse to the LAME  format&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here are my measurementsga&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;OGG  from the above  WAV saved file of 2.26 mins&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;A192     1.20.30&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;A126     1.30.66&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;A065     1.30.38&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;V0.6    18.74!!!&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;v0.4    19.59&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;v0.2    20.53&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;v0!     20,53&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;v-1.9   21.25&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;as in  result , the average bitrates require neartly the half time of the song, whnile the variable bit rates  are quite fast and increase  slightly with the decrease of the variation level&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here are the  bandwidth  results  from various bitrates qith the seocnd way of processing: WAV file &amp;gt; Ogg then ogg&amp;gt; wav out for spectral analysis on cooledit&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;A 192  22k   linear&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;A 126  18K1  slightly curved up as above 8 kHzby 3db&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;A 64   15k   curved after 6Kto 0 on 15 kHz&lt;/span&gt; -- &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;V0.6   22k   linear&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;v0.3   17k   slightly curved up as above 8 kHzby 3db&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;v0.1   16k&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;v0     15k2  curved after 6Kto 0 on 15 kHz  (as A64)&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;v-0.9! 15    curved after 6Kto 0 on 15 kHz,rippled 11- 15 (A48 same )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the abovee  the  latest vorbis encoder ofers slighly less  spectrum then the lame on the  highest fidelity !&lt;br /&gt;But from the resulted adio even on the 45 /v-0.9  is very clear in contrast to the same bitrate of LAme that had artifacts&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;FAAC  the freeware converter  for AAC and MP4 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the reality   AAC and MP4 are exactly the same!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/16?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2316" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 506px; height: 270px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/16/Clipboard17.gif?et=V2qj8Sjf2p4CCAGKFPCoqA&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you wil see there  is noting  special with this  converter .&lt;br /&gt;It used  a CBR  rating per channel  though the file sizes  are always the same  for 8 - 48 kbps  in my tests. It did happena also to converrt files of dferent sizes&lt;br /&gt;IN conrtast  the VBR levels  shown a difenrence in the file sizes  for the 1 min noise bering 1.42MB  for the 100% dropping 967KB  (as 128 for MP3 ) for the 42% and 448KB (64kb MP3 size) for the 10%  with obvious  audio artifacts&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/17?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2317" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/17/Clipboard18.gif?et=r9B9h2%2BpoJBoUPpm63je6A&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here is nothing special except for the object type . Thw main and low options  are very fast , but the LTP  (Long Term Prediction) is very slow , upto 4 times&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For more info on this format you may look at : http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=AAC&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;FLAC&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Ands another  codec with lossless AAC  The amin site for FLAC describes it this way :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;FLAC stands for Free Lossless Audio Codec, an audio format similar to MP3, but lossless, meaning that audio is compressed in FLAC without any loss in quality. This is similar to how Zip works, except with FLAC you will get much better compression because it is designed specifically for audio, and you can play back compressed FLAC files in your favorite player (or your car or home stereo, see &lt;a href="http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html#hardware"&gt;supported devices&lt;/a&gt;) just like you would an MP3 file.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/20?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2320" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/20/Clipboard21.gif?et=OH4UJzJzAcqEnnqEuKqloA&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As shwon above , the FLAC converter uses several presets  and  two stereo modes  the standard joint stereo and the non standard 'adaptive'&lt;br /&gt;The  presets  are between  the fastest  and the  best compression in 8 steps  total Sizes come between 9.76 and 9.84 MB for the preset 8 and 1 . The times  to convert  a 4 min  noise WAV file are:&lt;br /&gt;19 secs for the best compression  or 4.75 sec per MB  resulting to 40.942.070 Bytes&lt;br /&gt;7.93 secs per MB  for the  festest or 1.98 secs  resulting to 41287186 BYtes&lt;br /&gt; Original WAV noise file  is 42336044 BYtes&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another experiment :&lt;br /&gt;A song of 3.55&lt;br /&gt;-18.15  secs   27815488 BYtes   for the  highest compression&lt;br /&gt;-7.34   secs    30719266  BYtes  for the fastest compression&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/21?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2321" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/21/Clipboard22.gif?et=pag3YTuWMXI2ClY8HNsAag&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;here is a definaition for the subset  on http://flac.sourceforge.net/format.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;a name="subset"&gt;FLAC&lt;/a&gt; specifies a subset of itself as the Subset format. The purpose of this is to ensure that any streams encoded according to the Subset are truly "streamable", meaning that a decoder that cannot seek within the stream can still pick up in the middle of the stream and start decoding.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/22?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2322" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/22/Clipboard23.gif?et=Az01FBtuZpD%2BpMdOraLjsg&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here the most intereting point is :&lt;br /&gt;  apodization , which means taperring or trimming. A little more googling shows that apodization is clearing the  residual parts of the bel curve berlow a predefind level More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apodization_function which sown  also various functions&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Info on the  linear predictor:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt; FLAC uses a class of computationally-efficient fixed linear predictors (for a good description, see &lt;a href="http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/1999/HPL-1999-144.pdf"&gt;audiopak&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://svr-www.eng.cam.ac.uk/%7Eajr/GroupPubs/Robinson94-tr156/index.html"&gt;shorten&lt;/a&gt;). FLAC adds a fourth-order predictor to the zero-to-third-order predictors used by Shorten. Since the predictors are fixed, the predictor order is the only parameter that needs to be stored in the compressed stream. The error signal is then passed to the residual coder.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-4949825472652837891?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/4949825472652837891/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=4949825472652837891&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/4949825472652837891'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/4949825472652837891'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/06/bonkenc-3-remain-converters.html' title='Bonkenc #3 : remain converters'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-2949439116528625110</id><published>2008-06-19T18:12:00.002+03:00</published><updated>2008-06-19T18:13:28.148+03:00</updated><title type='text'>Bonkenc#2 : process standards and LAME</title><content type='html'>IN this and the following articles you will find som measurenemts&amp;nbsp; for the encoders used with bonk: &lt;br /&gt;first let me advise you the&amp;nbsp; method&amp;nbsp; i used for&amp;nbsp; measuring &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. For the times measurements : Used &lt;br /&gt;- A &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;song from a CD&amp;nbsp; of 2.26 mins&lt;/span&gt; ripped directly . I order no to damage the CD i then&amp;nbsp; ripped it to WAV&amp;nbsp; format &lt;br /&gt;-a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;stop watch unit&lt;/span&gt; from&amp;nbsp; DS clock,&amp;nbsp; a&amp;nbsp; simple visual&amp;nbsp; (and free )clock&amp;nbsp; program  , with .01 sec accuracy. most of the results have +/- 0.15 secs tolerance&amp;nbsp;  &lt;br /&gt;- &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Snagit &lt;/span&gt;one of the oldest capturing programs&amp;nbsp; for capturing part of the screen &lt;br /&gt;- After snagit was started capturing &amp;nbsp; i start the stop watch and then bonkenc&lt;br /&gt;- After Bonkenc ended its task , i stopped the timer and then the capturing &lt;br /&gt;- i then measure the bars progressing and do the time&amp;nbsp; subraction &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a video&amp;nbsp; with the above methodology &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. For the&amp;nbsp; sprectrum measurememnts &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;WAV &lt;/span&gt;file&amp;nbsp; is first made with&amp;nbsp; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;white noise&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; of one minute duration on 44000 Hz&amp;nbsp; and 16 bit&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;-then is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;converted&amp;nbsp; in all formats&lt;/span&gt; , &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;compression levels and quality&lt;/span&gt; adjustments and named accordinly (LAM/98/5 for example )&lt;br /&gt;.Though Audacity is one solution for making the WAV file , Cooledit (a very old version) is still&amp;nbsp; my most preferable for allthe next measurements. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then : &lt;br /&gt;For the mp3s : - the file is dragged into Cooledit marked for about 15 -20 secs then scanned from the spectrum analysis window&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; for the RMS values via a relatively&amp;nbsp; big sampling rate ie 2048 or 4096 and 'calculating the curve into text' &lt;br /&gt;For files&amp;nbsp; not supported&amp;nbsp; by Cooledit : &lt;br /&gt;-conversion&amp;nbsp; via Bonk to WAV &lt;br /&gt;-draging into Cooledit&amp;nbsp; and then using the above&amp;nbsp; method &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though&amp;nbsp; i do not think&amp;nbsp; that this method is flawy , if soemone has any claims&amp;nbsp; plase let me know &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And&amp;nbsp; a short description of my computer system: &lt;br /&gt;Pentium PC with&amp;nbsp; 3 GHZ &lt;br /&gt;768 MB &lt;br /&gt;80GB HArd disk &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;font size="4"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;LAME &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;b&gt;LAME&lt;/b&gt; (&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder!!!&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;For me Lame&amp;nbsp; is the most interesting converter that has a ton of adjustments&amp;nbsp; best for the very geeky , a much&amp;nbsp; higher level than myself who is mostly&amp;nbsp; to the audio response level . &lt;br /&gt;http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/10/Clipboard11.jpg?et=uuLx408kWF1ZvCGYUhlTww&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;lame encode&lt;/span&gt;r&amp;nbsp; has too many parameters to use . the most important for me is the quality item that can convert from&amp;nbsp; just&amp;nbsp; 4 secs for the worst quality to 25 secs&amp;nbsp; for the better quality. IN this paramter&amp;nbsp; i prever to use the highest possible number - usually 3 and 2 -&amp;nbsp; inorder to have the best&amp;nbsp; audio quality - though mine ears&amp;nbsp; do not&amp;nbsp; find any&amp;nbsp; significant diference . &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are also several presets as medium (VBR), standard , extreme, insane , adn their&amp;nbsp; fast versions R3mix and ABR All except ABR do not uncover their presets. ABR standsas for automatic bitrate ans is shown in the VBR tab &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; However&amp;nbsp; the&amp;nbsp; documentataion reveals this&amp;nbsp; info: &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;-preset medium&amp;nbsp; &amp;gt; V4 rh&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;-preset fast medium &amp;gt; v4 mrh &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;-preset&amp;nbsp; standard &amp;gt; v2rh&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;-preset&amp;nbsp; fast standard &amp;gt;v2mrh&lt;br /&gt;- preset extreme v0 &lt;br /&gt;- preseet fast extremev 0&lt;br /&gt;- preset insane C320 &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The bitrate can be from 8 to 320&amp;nbsp; to preset numbers ( 8, 16, 24, 32 , 40 48 56 64 80 96 112 128 144 160 192 224 256 and 320)&lt;br /&gt;There&amp;nbsp; is also a size ratio. &amp;nbsp; in uncomon numbers as 90! &amp;nbsp; the resulted&amp;nbsp; file is deleted&amp;nbsp; immediately after the&amp;nbsp; conversion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The quality rate&amp;nbsp; is soemthing for me very interesting . Quality&amp;nbsp; zero means here the best&amp;nbsp; quality (therefore the highest time for encoding ) and 9 the lowest quality (and very fast )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beofre going on&amp;nbsp; with the other&amp;nbsp; tabs let me show my results in ripping /converting from CD and WAV onto MP3: or song of 2.26 min (146 sec)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;font style="font-family: Courier;" size="2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;t CBR on 128 kb&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; CD&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; wav&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;at 0 &amp;gt; 1.13.67&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1.12.72&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; ie the half !!! &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1 &amp;gt; 0.39.50&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 39.00&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; nearly the half of 0 &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 2 &amp;gt; 0.33.06&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 30.12&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 3 &amp;gt; 0.19.06&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 17,13&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 4 &amp;gt; 0.18.94&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 16,63&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 5 &amp;gt; 0.17.81&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 15,28&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 6 &amp;gt; 0.17.19&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14,63&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 7 &amp;gt; 0.12.13&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 9,82&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 8 &amp;gt; 0.12.19&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 10,16&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 9 &amp;gt; 0.08.46&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 5,29&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;LAME COMPRESSIONS on 128kbps &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Here is per compression rate at CBR times in secs &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;320 kb&amp;nbsp; 17.06&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14.1&lt;br /&gt;256&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 16,63&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14.17&lt;br /&gt;192&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 16,25&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 13,84/13.66&lt;br /&gt;128&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 17,91&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 15.47&lt;br /&gt;96&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 18,75&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 16.41&lt;br /&gt;48&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 16.44&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14,5&lt;br /&gt;--&lt;br /&gt;24&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 9,35&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 7.16&amp;nbsp; requires adj to output sampling rate&lt;br /&gt;8&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 8.47&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 6,38 requires adj to output sampling rate&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the two latest formats&amp;nbsp; require&amp;nbsp; downsampling (audio processng )in order&amp;nbsp; to perform the coversion , usaually on 8 or 11 kHz &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here is a test based graphical&amp;nbsp; analysis of the most common CBR rates: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;font style="font-family: Courier;" size="1"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;256&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 20 kHz&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font style="font-family: Courier;" size="1"&gt;192&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 19kHz&lt;br /&gt;p&lt;font size="2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;ractically&amp;nbsp; this bandwidth (B/W) means a store level &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font style="font-family: Courier;" size="1"&gt;128-9 22kHz!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;128-5 19&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;128-0 19 kHz&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font style="font-family: Courier;" size="1"&gt;&lt;font size="2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;the worst quality level due to speed offers a&amp;nbsp; artificial whole b/w level . the other quality levels offer a Cd quality &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;112/9 22kHz !!&lt;br /&gt;112/5 19 kHz&lt;br /&gt;112/0 19 kHz&lt;br /&gt;the same as above &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;96/9&amp;nbsp; 22 kHz&amp;nbsp; distorted!&lt;br /&gt;96/5&amp;nbsp; 19 kHz&lt;br /&gt;96-9&amp;nbsp; 19 kHz curved down by 3 db&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;64-0&amp;nbsp; 8k @-3 max to 18 kHz&lt;br /&gt;64-5&amp;nbsp; 18 k linear&lt;br /&gt;64-9&amp;nbsp; 22k! linear&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;and here is the funny: the best quality&amp;nbsp; cuts freqs above the 8 kHz though the wirrst modes ofer a 'transparent' quality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lame 48 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 10 kHz&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;Lame 48 5&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 17 khxz&lt;br /&gt;Lame 48 9 &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 22 kHz!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;16-9&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 6 kHz&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; @-3 8 khzoff&lt;br /&gt;16-5&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 5 k ,6k @-3 8 K off&lt;br /&gt;16-0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1.7kHz&amp;nbsp; @-3 4.5 kHz coff&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;once again the&amp;nbsp; numers show narroweer audio for the best encoding !! &lt;br /&gt;==&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;ENCODER &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/11/Clipboard12.jpg?et=KKf9eVhZ9j5THKrtIjKOIA&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And above LAME shows&amp;nbsp; its more important characteristics the&amp;nbsp; two variable rates . for a&amp;nbsp; better explanation i lend the info from the wiki&amp;nbsp; of LAME&amp;nbsp; as foun in the site of Hydrogen audio: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;CBR:&amp;nbsp; the standard constant bit rate &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;constant bitrate mode. &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=CBR" title="CBR"&gt;CBR&lt;/a&gt; encoding is not efficient. Whereas &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=VBR" title="VBR"&gt;VBR&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ABR" title="ABR"&gt;ABR&lt;/a&gt; modes can supply more bits to complex music passages and save bits on simpler ones, &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=CBR" title="CBR"&gt;CBR&lt;/a&gt; encodes every frame at the same bitrate.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=CBR" title="CBR"&gt;CBR&lt;/a&gt; is only recommended for usage in streaming situations where the upper bitrate must be strictly enforced. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;VBR: this is the variable bit rate &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;variable bitrate mode. Use variable bitrate modes when the goal is to achieve a fixed level of quality using the lowest possible bitrate.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=VBR" title="VBR"&gt;VBR&lt;/a&gt; is best used to target a specific quality level, instead of a specific bitrate. The final file size of a &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=VBR" title="VBR"&gt;VBR&lt;/a&gt; encode is less predictable than with &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ABR" title="ABR"&gt;ABR&lt;/a&gt;, but the quality is usually better. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;Unlike other MP3 encoders which do VBR encoding based on predictions of output quality, LAME's default VBR method tests the &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; output quality to ensure the desired quality level is always achieved.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;rh &lt;/span&gt;adn &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;mrth &lt;/span&gt;are two dierent algorithms.Mrth&amp;nbsp; offers abou two times faster processing &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;ABR: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;average bitrate mode.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;A compromise between &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=VBR" title="VBR"&gt;VBR&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=CBR" title="CBR"&gt;CBR&lt;/a&gt; modes, &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ABR" title="ABR"&gt;ABR&lt;/a&gt; encoding varies bits around a specified target bitrate.&lt;/i&gt; Use &lt;a href="http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ABR" title="ABR"&gt;ABR&lt;/a&gt; when you need to know the final size of the file but still want to allow the encoder some flexibility to decide which passages need more bits&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;AS shown above in the photo , VBR can be asjusted&amp;nbsp; in tbetween minimums and maximums &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;misc &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/12/Clipboard13.jpg?et=HSyHAoKtt3shZuGaYgf4ow&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The misc tab determines some usual MP3 standards as copy right bits rtc&amp;nbsp; but en/disables padding on frames &lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;ISO compliance&lt;/span&gt; : This refers&amp;nbsp; mostly&amp;nbsp; for the MP3 harware players&amp;nbsp; , in order&amp;nbsp; for the resulted file&amp;nbsp; to be compaliant to the MP3 standard (compatibility problems)&lt;br /&gt;padding : a patch &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-weight: bold;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;expert tab: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/13/Clipboard14.jpg?et=YfvYJM7QpLQ%2CdBBgfH6tWg&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;thisis possibly the most dificult setting&amp;nbsp; with the&amp;nbsp; explanation from other pages : &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;ATH &lt;/span&gt;: absolute threshold of hearing&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;The &lt;b&gt;Absolute Threshold of Hearing&lt;/b&gt; (&lt;b&gt;ATH&lt;/b&gt;) is the volume level at which one can detect a particular sound 50% of the time. If one has a low absolute threshold, it means that he is able to detect small amounts of stimulation, and thus is more sensitive. If one has a high absolute threshold, then he requires more stimulation and thus is less sensitive&amp;nbsp; (from&amp;nbsp; http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ATH)&lt;br /&gt;Much more can be found here&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_threshold_of_hearing"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_threshold_of_hearing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Temporal masking effect &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-left: 40px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Temporal masking&lt;/b&gt; occurs when a sudden stimulus &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound" title="Sound"&gt;sound&lt;/a&gt; makes &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness" title="Loudness"&gt;inaudible&lt;/a&gt; other sounds which are present immediately preceding or following the stimulus. Masking that obscures a sound immediately preceding the masker is called &lt;i&gt;backwards masking&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;pre-masking&lt;/i&gt; and masking that obscures a sound immediately following the masker is called &lt;i&gt;forwards masking&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;post-masking&lt;/i&gt;. Temporal masking's effectiveness attenuates exponentially from the onset and offset of the masker, with the onset attenuation lasting approximately 10 ms and the offset attenuation lasting approximately 50 ms.(from Wikipedia )&lt;br /&gt;For more information&amp;nbsp; you can find&amp;nbsp; http://www.mp3-converter.com/mp3codec/maskingeffects.htm&amp;nbsp; and here &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; http://www.gnuware.com/icecast/chap_02_03.html&amp;nbsp; and in more depth analysis on http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug98/articles/datacompression.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Audio processing&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/14/Clipboard15.jpg?et=CtLe3tToPoO3K3StYsbo8g&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This pane is the easiest for me and the simplest&amp;nbsp; comparing to other more 'advanced' adjustments  !&lt;br /&gt;There are the standard resample rates of 8 ,11 22 44 and 48 kHz , the first two necessary&amp;nbsp; for the lower bit ratets&amp;nbsp; to operate. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Enabling&amp;nbsp; filtering can make you remove some frequencies&amp;nbsp; or determine a whole bandwidth to cut&lt;br /&gt;For better&amp;nbsp; undersitanding it is better&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; to experiment a bit with them . NOtice that lowpass filter&amp;nbsp; must be biiger numer thanthe low pass frequency !! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-2949439116528625110?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/2949439116528625110/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=2949439116528625110&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/2949439116528625110'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/2949439116528625110'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/06/bonkenc2-process-standards-and-lame.html' title='Bonkenc#2 : process standards and LAME'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-6767041817661058784</id><published>2008-06-19T18:12:00.001+03:00</published><updated>2008-06-19T18:12:46.911+03:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mp3'/><title type='text'>Bonk enc #1: a very good (shell) program for ripping your CDs ...</title><content type='html'>.........and reconverting your MP3s&amp;nbsp; into another forrmat ........... &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;A REVIEW &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The program has been found i think in the freewaregenius web site (together with mediacoder , toibe reviewed later here ) several months ago, bvased on a very short review, which normally acts as a shell program for several freeware /open source audio codecs. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The program can be found&amp;nbsp; in the adress http://www.bonkenc.org&amp;nbsp;  and includes&amp;nbsp; the latest two versions&amp;nbsp; , together&amp;nbsp; with two extra plug ins. The most curent is 107&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ONce you download the&amp;nbsp; program the screening is shown as below:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/1?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2Fbonkenc_arhia_%231" rel="me  "&gt;&lt;img src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/1/Clipboard01.jpg?et=jdBdLAsh3D9JwYJwfjl%2BFQ&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" style="width: 607px; height: 431px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The program has the following&amp;nbsp; specifications: &lt;br /&gt;- is totally free and comes with its&amp;nbsp; source &lt;br /&gt;- it can be just unzipped into a folder and&amp;nbsp; work . Thefore it is a green program &lt;br /&gt;- There are various language translations including a program that handles translation fields &lt;br /&gt;- Connectivity with&amp;nbsp; CDDB&amp;nbsp; for automatic&amp;nbsp; album naming (if avaialble )&lt;br /&gt;- automatic ripping after a CD is inserted&amp;nbsp; and&amp;nbsp; recognized (setable)&lt;br /&gt;The latest colleciton i&amp;nbsp; converted&amp;nbsp; has been&amp;nbsp; totally found from the CDDB databqase &lt;br /&gt;- about 5&amp;nbsp; conversion systems &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;FLAC, Blade , Lame ,Ogg, AAC and its own Bonk &lt;br /&gt;- auto titling&amp;nbsp; based on the information of the artist and title given , including the ID3 info saved &lt;br /&gt;- mass ID3 saving&lt;br /&gt;- CD /file operations:&amp;nbsp; playback and insert/escape button shown below the web adress &lt;br /&gt;- also facility&amp;nbsp; to manually update - via the help menu &lt;br /&gt;- plug ins&amp;nbsp; for in- and out-put &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;a very interesting point is that the program allows&amp;nbsp; you not only to add the ID tags (ID 1 and 2 )&amp;nbsp; but also &lt;br /&gt;- set the case letters&amp;nbsp; towards: each&amp;nbsp; word in lower or in upper cases , &lt;br /&gt;- set the tag for all the songs&amp;nbsp; included in ripping &lt;br /&gt;- set a spscial&amp;nbsp; label for the music kind &lt;br /&gt;Here are several&amp;nbsp; screenshots from its settings: here is just the&amp;nbsp; encoders settings. As you may see&amp;nbsp; there is also a filename naming pattern  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 500px; height: 289px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/3/Clipboard04.jpg?et=Kn00diZh51jxA6pbyZUeiw&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And another settings view&amp;nbsp; for playlists . There is the ability to use cue sheets &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 504px; height: 291px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/4/Clipboard05.jpg?et=h%2C%2CdGgQ28jxMyA%2CbDFCuoQ&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here you will find some screeshots&amp;nbsp; for the&amp;nbsp; encoding abilities . As&amp;nbsp; you may see&amp;nbsp; Fraunhofer FhG and WMA&amp;nbsp; codec are&amp;nbsp; missing . I think this is because FhG&amp;nbsp; codec is commercial .....WAVE OUT as show in the picture comes fromta export plugin .Blade enc is a optional codec&amp;nbsp; that can be found in the program's site&amp;nbsp; that has several peculiar conversion specs .All codecs here are&amp;nbsp; freeeware modules.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/2/Clipboard02.jpg?et=ZCGac9%2BgGQBT%2CK2cbxLDWg&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the next pages you will find in depth (as posible ) reports on the codecs&amp;nbsp; and their operations&amp;nbsp; includeing more pictures  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/24?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2324" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 529px; height: 305px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/24/Clipboard25.gif?et=RGafGiXZSXWlIG5kqTZq%2BQ&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here&amp;nbsp; are several imprtant notice from my usage&amp;nbsp; for about 2 months &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/25?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2325" title=""&gt;&lt;img style="width: 534px; height: 297px;" alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/25/Clipboard26.gif?et=1YtM%2Bq9zhB7sY1Z2OGkWnA&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ID3 tags : upon the preset format , they can be shown OK to Wianamp, Windows explorer and sevreal ID tagging programs but in seeral others not . the proble consisted onthe UTF 16LE . Setting to ISO encoding&amp;nbsp; the porblem&amp;nbsp; has been solved &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cons&amp;nbsp; I found two types of crashes: &lt;br /&gt;- The program crashed when resizing the time Bonk was converting &lt;br /&gt;- several dragged /dropped MP3s also made it crash. I donot know&amp;nbsp; what&amp;nbsp; is the problem with these MP3 files . But dropping&amp;nbsp; their&amp;nbsp; directories into Bonkencs'&amp;nbsp; file window there was not problem &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the next pages&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; you will see a description of the&amp;nbsp; encoding schemes &lt;br /&gt;=================================================&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The blade enc adjustments:(a very&amp;nbsp; easy and simple encoder )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/6/Clipboard07.jpg?et=2RxrDWubiF7dprwp9xFkPw&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The lame encoder - which is trhe most complex encoding system. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/album/66/bonkenc_arhia_" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/10/Clipboard11.jpg?et=uuLx408kWF1ZvCGYUhlTww&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;lame encode&lt;/span&gt;r&amp;nbsp; has too many parameters to use . the most important for me is the quality item that can cnvert from&amp;nbsp; just&amp;nbsp; 4 secs for the worst quality to 25 secs&amp;nbsp; for the better quality. IN this paramter&amp;nbsp; i prever to use the highest possible number - usually 3 and 2 -&amp;nbsp; inorder to have the best&amp;nbsp; audio quality - though mine ears&amp;nbsp; do not&amp;nbsp; find any&amp;nbsp; significant diference . In the second part i will&amp;nbsp; show you several intereting experiments with them &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a&amp;nbsp; screenshot for FAAC , surely a form of AAC ,an open source MPEG-4 and MPEG-2 AAC encoder of lesser general public license&amp;nbsp; :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/9?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2Fbonkenc_arhia_%239" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/9/Clipboard10.jpg?et=ufMWCUCxT9Vy%2BV%2CWmpCvsQ&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and here&amp;nbsp; which shows the encoder configuration with both kinds of versions &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/17?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2317" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/17/Clipboard18.gif?et=r9B9h2%2BpoJBoUPpm63je6A&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and here for ogg vorbis : note averager instad of constant bitrate is used &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img id="photoimg" class="photoimg" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/500x500/19/Clipboard20.gif?et=bBoLk%2B8dCXoba%2B6NEIp1iw&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" height="169" width="360" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and here is for FLAC (a free lossless audio codec )&amp;nbsp; with also very great amount of adjustments: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/20?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2320" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/20/Clipboard21.gif?et=OH4UJzJzAcqEnnqEuKqloA&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;with expert&amp;nbsp; encoider configuration as here: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/66/22?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzlgr.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F66%2322" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/image/2/photos/66/orig/22/Clipboard23.gif?et=Az01FBtuZpD%2BpMdOraLjsg&amp;amp;nmid=83964352" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the next posting I will&amp;nbsp; place several measurements&amp;nbsp; on some if the above codecs&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-6767041817661058784?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/6767041817661058784/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=6767041817661058784&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/6767041817661058784'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/6767041817661058784'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/06/bonk-enc-1-very-good-shell-program-for.html' title='Bonk enc #1: a very good (shell) program for ripping your CDs ...'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-363367986349936628</id><published>2008-02-16T16:55:00.006+02:00</published><updated>2008-02-16T17:26:12.882+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mp3'/><title type='text'>comparison  between  mp3 and wma codecs , (linked pdf file )</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;You can find it in these links   (direct pdf  files , please use "save as" with the  right mouse click , or press ctrl +&lt;left&gt; for opening into your web browser. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The file  is just 200 kb. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: times new roman;" href="http://images.zlgr.multiply.com/attachment/0/RcrgxQoKCjUAACX52HM1/WLF-comp.pdf?nmid=19580636"&gt;multiply    article &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: times new roman;" href="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/WLF-comp.pdf"&gt;geocities &lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;article in case the previous does not work&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The file  shows the methodology i use plus  a big table  with compressions in wma FhG and  lame mp3 vers 1 codecs  in terms of spectrum analysis&lt;br /&gt;This file has been  originally edited on 2005&lt;br /&gt;Please leave here you r comments&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-363367986349936628?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/363367986349936628/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=363367986349936628&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/363367986349936628'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/363367986349936628'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/02/comparison-between-mp3-and-wma-codecs.html' title='comparison  between  mp3 and wma codecs , (linked pdf file )'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-4343955728127658391</id><published>2008-02-16T16:52:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2008-02-16T16:52:47.871+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mp3'/><title type='text'>Oversimplified listing  of the MP3 compressions</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="replybodytext"&gt;&lt;div class="replybodytext" id="reply_body_zlgr:reviews:22+7" author="zlgr" author_possessive="zlgr's"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;This is an notice shown on the&amp;nbsp; same &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/item/reply/zlgr:reviews:22+7"&gt;webpage&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;and also refered &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/reviews/item/32"&gt;here &lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;separately.&amp;nbsp; This just describes the various compressions levels and thier main use&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;" /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;Here is a oversimplified &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;listing &amp;nbsp;of&lt;/span&gt; the MP3 compressions :Notice that as the number in the left pane is higher , &amp;nbsp;the &amp;nbsp;higher the filter and thus higher fidelity audio. The higher numbers can offer the abilities or &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;the &amp;nbsp;lower&lt;/span&gt; numbers &amp;nbsp;too. &amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;Notice: The &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;program &amp;nbsp;used&amp;nbsp; for analysis&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; is Music match jukebox that offers &amp;nbsp;the &amp;nbsp;curves shown in my &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/reviews/item/22"&gt;blog &lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;above &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 353.25pt;" border="1" cellpadding="0" width="471"&gt;  &lt;tbody&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 31.5pt; font-weight: bold;" width="42"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;kbps&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 212.25pt; font-weight: bold;" width="283"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;approximate usage -&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 31.5pt;" width="42"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;8 - 11 kbps &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 212.25pt;" width="283"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;suitable&lt;/span&gt; for recording telephonic conversations , voice &amp;nbsp;recording . narrowband AM radio &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 31.5pt;" width="42"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;16&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 212.25pt;" width="283"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;the above plus high fidelity&amp;nbsp; speech,&amp;nbsp;AM radio, low fidelity streaming radio&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 31.5pt;" width="42"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;24- 32 kbps &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 212.25pt;" width="283"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;high quality speech , AM radio [medium and shortwaves ]&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 31.5pt;" width="42"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;44-56&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 212.25pt;" width="283"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;low fidelity FM radio &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 31.5pt;" width="42"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;64&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 212.25pt;" width="283"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;older fidelity FM radio &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 31.5pt;" width="42"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;96-128&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 212.25pt;" width="283"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;CD &amp;nbsp;quality audio &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 31.5pt;" width="42"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;192&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 212.25pt;" width="283"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;studio CD quality - &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 31.5pt;" width="42"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;256&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 212.25pt;" width="283"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;'Store' &amp;nbsp;mode for CD &amp;nbsp;quality &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;  &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;and&lt;/span&gt; for WMA - &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;fior&lt;/span&gt; anyone interested , as &amp;nbsp;tested with &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Musicmatch&lt;/span&gt; Jukebox . For &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;me &amp;nbsp;mostly&lt;/span&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 352.5pt;" border="1" cellpadding="0" width="470"&gt;  &lt;tbody&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 48pt;" width="64"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;5-8-12&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 289.5pt;" width="386"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&amp;nbsp;just simple voice recording &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 48pt;" width="64"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;16-22&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 289.5pt;" width="386"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;high quality speech recording , 22 seems &amp;nbsp;as HIFI &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 48pt;" width="64"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;44&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 289.5pt;" width="386"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&amp;nbsp;good for FM &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 48pt;" width="64"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;48&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 289.5pt;" width="386"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;CD audio &amp;nbsp;compromise , best for mass storage &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 48pt;" width="64"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;64&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 289.5pt;" width="386"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;CD &amp;nbsp;recording &amp;nbsp; = 128 on MP3&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr style=""&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 48pt;" width="64"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;96&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 289.5pt;" width="386"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;'high quality' CD recording =192 on MP3&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;  &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And notice &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;the &amp;nbsp;following&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;br /&gt;The above listing is still controversial &amp;nbsp;and depends on the program and &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;codecs&lt;/span&gt; you use. &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Older&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="GramE"&gt;&amp;nbsp; lame&lt;/span&gt; codec [used in &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;goldwave&lt;/span&gt; ] does not offer the same audio quality &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"&gt; And several &amp;nbsp;comments on &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;"&gt;windows media wma&lt;/span&gt; files: &lt;br /&gt;- offering &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;lower dynamic range&lt;/span&gt; : &amp;nbsp;they can clip very low voices , The&amp;nbsp; dynamic rrange&amp;nbsp; is aoubt 50 db &lt;br /&gt;- on MP3 hardware players : &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;- they can drain the double current (Sansa E130&amp;nbsp; and Creative Zen Plus&amp;nbsp; ). &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;- in most older MP3 players &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;i&lt;/span&gt; tested (as sansa 130 ) , the WMA codec&amp;nbsp; can&amp;nbsp; offer &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;better audio&lt;/span&gt; than its MP3 &amp;nbsp;codec!! &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;- the &amp;nbsp;wma codec &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;"&gt;may introduce its own noise&lt;/span&gt; &amp;nbsp;with 'cracks' in sudden audio changes&amp;nbsp; or in loud points.  See also the http://zlgr.multiply.com/reviews/item/32  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-4343955728127658391?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/4343955728127658391/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=4343955728127658391&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/4343955728127658391'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/4343955728127658391'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/02/oversimplified-listing-of-mp3.html' title='Oversimplified listing  of the MP3 compressions'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-5708560874647260626</id><published>2008-02-16T16:33:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2008-02-16T16:33:44.692+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mp3'/><title type='text'>The reason not to use low MP3 compressions!</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Notice : this aricle is my 2nd arcticle on mp3 tech and appeared on 31-5-7 on &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/reviews/item/22" target="_blank"&gt;multiply&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt; site . The main reason writing that article i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;s that many&amp;nbsp; people&amp;nbsp; are using&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;low &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;level MP3 compressions (as 192 adn 256 )&amp;nbsp; that i do not think&amp;nbsp; are&amp;nbsp; so necessary&amp;nbsp; since per&amp;nbsp; my measurements&amp;nbsp;  128 kbps are more than enough. To my year&amp;nbsp; wma's&amp;nbsp; of the level of 48 kbps&amp;nbsp; have neatly the&amp;nbsp; same level . &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt; --------- Given that many users on Multiply rip or covert their music in quite big files of over 7.5 MB fr a 4 minute song ,i decided to write this article to explain why it is not necessary to use very high sampling rates. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;At same time I will notice to you why I use the WMA format in 48 kbps to include mass material into a small MP3 player as shown in my previous reviews &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; It is important to advise you that I was in the audio technology and HiFi's since 1980 , including also the MP3 tech form ca 1997 and my first ever MP3 player was with CD on 2000.Also i used several professional equipment the older days and I know very much about it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;table style="text-align: center;" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;    &lt;td&gt; &lt;font style="font-family: Arial;" size="2"&gt;  This is a  abridged version of  my blog  in &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/41" target="_blank" rel="me "&gt;http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/41&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/41"&gt; &lt;/a&gt;   with a little more explanation in the pictorials    If someone is still very boring to read this  whole message  ,please  check the flies on the &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/55" target="_blank"&gt;http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/55 &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font style="font-family: Arial;" size="2"&gt;for his personal evaluation  , though it is very worth of reading&lt;/font&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt;  &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt;   And here is  the basic  background  for  the above theory .  &lt;p&gt; 1.&lt;b&gt;Make a file with white noise &lt;/b&gt;. This noise is used primarily for testing purposes in audio laboratories. it can be used to measure the linearity of audio systems including the audio part of radio transmitters. The easiest way to make this white noise is with the Cooledit program.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; For best measurements i made a file of 60 secs making a file of 10M336B [10336 Kb]I also deliberately use the linear frequency response in order to find more easily the cutoff frequencies than with the standard logarithmic freq response &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;table style="text-align: left; height: 281px; width: 532px;" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2"&gt;  &lt;tbody&gt;    &lt;tr&gt;      &lt;td style="width: 325px;"&gt;      &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440582024/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 327px; height: 244px;" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/440582024_0a6fa27e8f_o.gif" alt="click to view the original file" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="text-align: left; width: 183px;"&gt;&lt;small&gt;This is  our original  WAV file's  frequency response , designed from a  white  noise of 0 db level. As you may notice   it is a totally linear, and will be used as reference to the results from  various compressions   shown later  &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;  &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt;&lt;p&gt; 2.&lt;b&gt;Convert the files toMP3 and /or WMA in the most popular conversions&lt;/b&gt; . I  choose the MP3 format on &lt;b&gt;128 &lt;/b&gt;[standard]&lt;b&gt;192 &lt;/b&gt;[broadcast  mode ] and &lt;b&gt;256&lt;/b&gt;kb [store mode]  while for  WMA  the &lt;b&gt;44&lt;/b&gt; [FM] ,. &lt;b&gt;48&lt;/b&gt;[I say just CD]   &lt;b&gt;64&lt;/b&gt; [default near CD ]and &lt;b&gt;96&lt;/b&gt; [CD ] kb. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I always used the Musicmatch Jukebox in its 6th version which is very light comparing to the newest versions and has very good results especially if converting from CDs and MPs to WMAs . And though Cooledit has MP3 save option &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  3.&lt;b&gt;View the resulted files  back to Coledit's frequency analysis  screen&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;:   &lt;/p&gt;&lt;table style="text-align: left; width: 542px;" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;     &lt;tr&gt;       &lt;td&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440582022/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt; &lt;img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/440582022_d41425b255_o.gif" alt="256a" height="258" width="344" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="width: 301px;"&gt;      &lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;256 kb &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;      &lt;/div&gt;       &lt;small&gt;.  &lt;br /&gt;       &lt;/small&gt;      &lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;small&gt;As you will see the 256 kb sampling rate offers a very high audio bandwidth of ca 21 kHz  filtering out   everything above this frequency ,with more than 60 db cut off .But these cut off frequencies are inaudible to the ear .. &lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;      &lt;/div&gt;      &lt;small&gt;Tthe file size  is 1876 KBytes&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr&gt;      &lt;td&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440582014/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 344px; height: 258px;" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/440582014_48925d8a2a_o.gif" alt="click to view the original file" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="width: 301px;"&gt;      &lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;192kb&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;      &lt;/div&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;small&gt;The curve here goes to the 20 kHz , and about 60 db cutoff above these frequencies. This is the maximum the ear can listen The file size is 1407 Kb&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr&gt;      &lt;td&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440580022/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 344px; height: 258px;" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/440580022_b23301c318_o.gif" alt="click to view the original file" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="width: 301px;"&gt;      &lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;b&gt;128&lt;/b&gt; kb&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;      &lt;/div&gt;      &lt;small&gt;And here is the  standard  MP3 with strong cutoff above 15.900 Hz . I do not see any significant difference between 128 and 192 in my ears  though still  112 with a cut off at 14000  and 96 kb at 12000 sound nearly the same &lt;br /&gt;The file  size is 938 kb on the 128kb &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;  &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt;  &lt;p&gt;   &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;WMA s in discussion &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;AS Cooledit cannot open WMA files , i used first a third party program to convert the WMA files iinto WAV and then opened with Cooledit , and here are the results : &lt;br /&gt;&lt;table style="text-align: left; width: 519px;" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2"&gt;  &lt;tbody&gt;    &lt;tr&gt;      &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440580014/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img style="height: 227px; width: 306px;" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/440580014_e509662b5f_o.gif" alt="click to view the original file" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440580014/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;b&gt;48 kbps&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="width: 191px;"&gt;      &lt;p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;48 64 and 96 kb &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;small&gt;Here all the WMA files have the same audio bandwidth at 20 kHz with the only difference on the dynamic level.  , &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr&gt;      &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440580016/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 306px; height: 227px;" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/187/440580016_fa02ebcd99_o.gif" alt="click to view the original file" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440580016/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;b&gt;64 kbps&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="text-align: center; width: 191px;"&gt;&lt;small&gt;The dynamic level is ca 36db , for the 48 kb , ca 40 db for the 64 kb and ca 55 db for the 96 kb compression. The 40 db are the audio levels used by most music groups. More than 60 db are used only by classical music And the file sizes are 367,484 and 718 kB respectively . IN practice that means that all these modes can offfer just high quality audio though very low audio levels are 'removed' .&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr&gt;      &lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440580018/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 306px; height: 227px;" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/440580018_85408c0413_o.gif" alt="click to view the original file" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440580018/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;b&gt;96 kbps&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="text-align: center; width: 191px;"&gt;&lt;small&gt;In a very careful listening you can see some minor artifacts on the 48 kbps especially in drums and high trebled audio.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;    &lt;tr&gt;      &lt;td&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440580012/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 306px; height: 227px;" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/440580012_2a8c54f46d_o.gif" alt="click to view the original file" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;WMA 44&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;td style="width: 191px;"&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;small&gt;And here a funny case of the &lt;b&gt;44 kb WMA&lt;/b&gt;. Instead of having a smooth cuve , that reminds a triple 'treble control' , a part of the bandwidth is somehow cut out&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;small&gt;However this happens with the MMJB 6 . Using another converter as for example the MP3WM OGG converter, the results are also diferent . The results in the MP3 conversion showed me a      &lt;b&gt;flat&lt;/b&gt; bandwidth for 128 to 256 to 22000 with 96kb having -6db on 16000max .while the WMA compressions rates were showed as a bandstop filter analogous to the compression rate ...&lt;/small&gt;      &lt;/p&gt;      &lt;/td&gt;    &lt;/tr&gt;  &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Furthermore these are the results with the over mentioned program . I mean , using a  different program to convert  files gives a  different result &lt;br /&gt;AS for example &lt;b&gt;Cooledit&lt;/b&gt;with its MP3 plugin ca offer &lt;b&gt;linear response to the maximum of the bandwidth&lt;/b&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At another example i was also using the ACE mult iformat converter . The results once opened or converted to WAV (for WMA) have made several interesting results . Please see the picture below, it is an animation! &lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/440579331/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/440579331_d8b04f76af_o.gif" alt="ace+mmjb" height="350" width="447" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p&gt;From the above results , it is clear that ACE can technically offer better audio than MMJB on the MP3 format , but worse than MMJB in te WMA format &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-5708560874647260626?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/5708560874647260626/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=5708560874647260626&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/5708560874647260626'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/5708560874647260626'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/02/reason-not-to-use-low-mp3-compressions.html' title='The reason not to use low MP3 compressions!'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-7201881959817475136</id><published>2008-02-16T16:04:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2008-02-16T16:15:52.739+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mp3'/><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:130%;" &gt;&lt;b&gt;MP3 comparison chart of two encoders&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt; Please notice that  this is the first  article  i &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;wrote&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; abut mp3 tech analysis , depicted on 96-97 and appeared on &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/mp3_comp.htm" target="_blank"&gt;my old geo   site &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;hr /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;UPDATES ( i think made on 91-92 ): &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Following a series of upconvertions adn other experiments  that itme i have found soem other peculiarities that are main to Musicmatch: &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ol&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;  &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Upconverting monophonic bit rates  to stereo bit rates  can cause stereo widening of these monoral audios. The lowest  stereo mode i found or used was the 24 kbps &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li&gt;UPconverting to higher bandwidths may cause / produce 'reaction /reactance carriers' . For example a  8 kb ( of 8 kHz) upconverted to 24 kb  cana cause ahigher freq  whistle to be heard, that   can be soemtiems very annoying. please notic that  this does not only happen between MP3 converions but also to convert one WAV file  of 32 kHz to an MP3 file of 44 kHz bandwidth . There was indeed one reactance carrier of ca 16 kHz . The problem   for  this case has been  corected with the usage of Xing encoder &lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li&gt;Some low rate ( such as 8/8 , 8/11  and 16/11 ) MP2-layer 3  files seem to use a 8 bit audio resolution. Using 8 bit resolution WAVS to converting to MP1 ( above 64 kb rtates at leat   ) can cauise the MP3 files to have the half sixe!! &lt;/li&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;As you can see from the frequwncy responses tables there is soem important information that shows a nrealy direct relation of bandwidth and compression And here is a over simplified relation.Notice trhat  : any freqs above this band-stop are sharply removed Onfo is for Musimatch with slight improvement on Xing for the theoretical noise example  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;160kbit - 44 kHz  gives a 20 kHz bandwidth&lt;br /&gt;128 kbit -44 kHz  gives a 16 kHz bandwidth&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;96  kbit - 44 kHz  gives a 11.8 kHz bandwidth&lt;/u&gt;  MPEG  1&lt;br /&gt;64  kbit - 22  kHz  gives a 10.4 kHz bandwidth&lt;br /&gt;48  kbit - 22  kHz  gives a 6  kHz bandwidth&lt;br /&gt;32  kbit - 22  kHz  gives a 5,2 kHz bandwidth&lt;br /&gt;16  kbit -11  kHz  gives a .4.7 kHz bandwidth&lt;br /&gt;8  kbit -8/11  kHz  gives a 3.3  kHz bandwidth  MPEG   2 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;One very important  point when using players   with low bit rates. It is very important to disable Doirect X from the player otherwise audio will be strongly &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;hr /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Following a long period of digitizing my music collection into MP3 I have also experimented with two different popular encoders and below you will find some very important results:&lt;br /&gt;The experiments are two based upon a standard method .( tones and white noise)&lt;br /&gt;Program for making these is CoolEdit Pro (trial) with trial MP3 plug in (read only)&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"&gt;Step A Making the files &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;A 1: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Tones produced are : &lt;b&gt;3 secs each tone&lt;/b&gt; , &lt;b&gt;0 db level&lt;/b&gt; , with the following frequencies ( all are Hz) &lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;1000&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;5000 &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;7000&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;9000&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;13000&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;14000&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;15000&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;15500&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;16000&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;18000&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;19000&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt; &lt;p&gt;and saved as &lt;b&gt;WAV 44.000. mono , 16 bit resolution &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;A 2 &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Making &lt;b&gt;white noise &lt;/b&gt;again under CoolEdit with:&lt;br /&gt;1 sec blank&lt;br /&gt;3 secs stereo white noise of 0 db level&lt;br /&gt;1 sec blank&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;with 48000 kHz , 16 bit resolution &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"&gt;Step 2- compressing &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Using the &lt;b&gt;two compression programs&lt;/b&gt; ( Music match 5 and Xing encoder 2.1) &lt;b&gt;step by step&lt;/b&gt; in various compression levels :&lt;br /&gt;VBR - 160 – 128 – 112 – 96-80- 64- 56-48-32-16- 8 then &lt;b&gt;save each produced file&lt;/b&gt; by compression – name&lt;br /&gt;All files are then &lt;b&gt;archived into a ziped file&lt;/b&gt; for later references&lt;br /&gt;And here are some interesting and funny results ater zipping :&lt;br /&gt;WAV files are expected to be compressed , nearly to the level of standard Xing compression&lt;br /&gt;Thed tone file was &lt;b&gt;34.560.444 bytes and zipped to 558960 bytes &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But still , Xing , tone compression , seems to still compressed at high rates . files of abt 720 kb have been compressed to only 9200 kb! See below for more &lt;/p&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"&gt;Step 3- checking compressed files back on Cooledit – commentary &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Cooledit pro has been again used for chacking the produced MP3 files . After loading files a smoothing process has been calculated ( RMS levels ) &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Part 1 the tone response &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Very surprisingly both encoders shown a ‘peculair’ attitude towards the pure tones by producing faint signals of lower levels , up to –8 db .&lt;br /&gt;Both compressors did not respond to tones above 17000 kHz leaving only blank audio and ‘clicks’ between tone freq change &lt;/p&gt; &lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Music match &lt;/b&gt;5 , shown a very big number of faint signals ( about 15 .) nearly as it happens with Xing encoder under VBR but levels were higher than of Xing . There was only the restriction of the bandwidth which nearly corresponds to the compression rate . More on this later&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Xing&lt;/strong&gt; however under 80-160 kb rates produced very clear ( faint free ) tones . IN some cases upper freqs ( below 17kHz) shown some ‘ripple’ ( on off ) faint signals of very low levels some hundred Hz above the main freq. VBR however was relatively ‘dirty’ as shown in the table below ( levels of 40 db or more &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;IN both encoders , tones of higher main freq. than bandwidth ( esp for rates below 48) produced mirror tones of 36 –40 db lower than main tone level &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;I have made also a try with WMA module of MM5 with results nearly of the MM-MP module &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Part 2 the white noise response&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;While original signal was with exact edges between start and stop of noise, all MP compressed files shown a fade up and fade down of audio response ( either time or frequency domain ) as shown in the spectral view. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The table 3 shows the response of the 24kHz stereo white noise showing the decibel points &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;While &lt;b&gt;Xing&lt;/b&gt; had the &lt;b&gt;same&lt;/b&gt; audio level , &lt;b&gt;MM5&lt;/b&gt; had a &lt;b&gt;6 db loss&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Xing also had nearly flat freq response at 99% of the spectrum while MM5 had a slow decrease response over higher freqs ( points shown ) &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Also 112- to 160 rates on Xing have the &lt;b&gt;same response&lt;/b&gt;.. Though io could not see any significant differences in the spectrum alnalyzer of Cooledit, this can possibly lower the dynamic range .&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;MM in contrast shown a &lt;b&gt;significant decrease of response&lt;/b&gt; dropping from 20 to 16 and 14 kHz for the 160 , 128 and 112 kb respectively ! Though playback on Winamp or MM player shows a 44 kHz range ….&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Comparing to the response curves , in all cases except 16 Xing has higher response of 4-5 % than MM5&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Special commentary on playback of the WAV tone file &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Cooledit , as expected as playing very clear the tones .&lt;br /&gt;However direct connection of line out from the SB 128 to the headphone showed nearly no audio on freqs above 9000 Hz ( mismatch??)&lt;br /&gt;In contrast to it the HIFI connected same way produced all the tones till 19000 hz ( audible from the headphone output from HIFI )&lt;br /&gt;Nullsoft’s Winamp 2.7 had a totally MP3 type audio (producing the ‘ghosts’or spur tones as shown in the Xing )&lt;br /&gt;Also Media player had the same ‘attitude’&lt;br /&gt;In contrast to it real Player produced clear audio in all the tones ! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Add on : Time rates for compressing a music file &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The table is self explanatory. Notice that this has been made last year when I used the Pentium 133 with 64 Mb memory (which possibly does not matter on the compression speed so much )&lt;br /&gt;The actual WAV/ PCM file is a song of 5 mins 27.86 sec of a total 57.8 MB size&lt;br /&gt;First list shows the constant rate while second list shows variable rate centered at 80 kb and variations of the shown level&lt;br /&gt;The 3&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; list shows times produced with the MP 3 compressor another program capable to produce MP compatible WAV files ( it possibly uses the Microsoft MP encoder) . IT also produces 8 kb/8kHz files &lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:6;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:6;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:6;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;hr  style="font-size:100%;"&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:6;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;LIST 1&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Responses of clear tones on Xing encoder on various compressrion rates&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;table style="height: 1350px; width: 693px;" border="1" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="1"&gt; &lt;tbody&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 39px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 39px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;lo - nor Xing &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 39px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Lo var Xing&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 39px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Xing 160 , 128 112 96 and 80 kb&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 39px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;64 &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 39px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;56&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 39px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;48 &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 39px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;32&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 39px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;16&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 93px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;1000Hz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 93px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;12 ……….1000&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p style="width: 113px;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-40……….5200&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-42 ……….7200&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-48 ……….11600&lt;br /&gt;13600 ……….1800 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 93px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-38 ……….5100&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;……….7220&lt;br /&gt;……….11500&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 93px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 93px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 93px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 93px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;3000 50000 7000 9000 11000 with -40&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 93px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;3000&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;5000&lt;br /&gt;7000 /-47&lt;br /&gt;9 000&lt;br /&gt;1000/-50 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 93px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;3000/-36&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;5000&lt;br /&gt;7000/-24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 159px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;5000 Hz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 159px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-42……….200&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-32……….1200&lt;br /&gt;-30 ……….2800&lt;/span&gt;&lt;bb&gt; &lt;/bb&gt; &lt;p&gt;+12……….5000&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-24……….7500&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-38 ……….9600&lt;br /&gt;-36……….11200&lt;br /&gt;-44……….12300&lt;br /&gt;-42……….14000&lt;br /&gt;-48……….14600&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 159px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;……….200&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-32……….1100&lt;br /&gt;-30……….2500&lt;br /&gt;-25……….7500&lt;br /&gt;-37……….10000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 159px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;9000,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;11, 13, 5 17, 19 21 kHz with –72 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 159px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;9000,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;11, 13, 5 kHz with –72&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 159px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;9000,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;11, 13, 5 kHz with –72&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 159px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;1000 3000 7000 9000 1000 ……….-36&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 159px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;3000&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;5000&lt;br /&gt;7000 /-32&lt;br /&gt;9 000&lt;br /&gt;1000/-40 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 159px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 95px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;7000 hZ (+12)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 95px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-40……….200&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-34……….700&lt;br /&gt;-32……….2100&lt;br /&gt;-44……….2600….&lt;bbr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-22………4500…&lt;br /&gt;&gt; -36……….12000&lt;br /&gt;-38……….13200`14200&lt;/bbr&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 95px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-32……….2100&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-24……….4500&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-18……….9100&lt;br /&gt;-32……….11900&lt;/span&gt;&lt;comment title="/font" xmlns="http://disruptive-innovations.com/zoo/nvu"&gt;&lt;img src="chrome://editor/content/images/tag-comment.gif" /&gt;&lt;!--/font--&gt;&lt;/comment&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 95px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 95px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 95px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 95px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Clear &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 95px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Clear &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 95px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 106px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;9000 Hz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 106px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-42……….700&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-38……….1800&lt;br /&gt;-30……….2700&lt;br /&gt;-32……….4200&lt;br /&gt;-20……….7500&lt;br /&gt;-13……….1130&lt;span sizee="1"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-30……….13900&lt;br /&gt;-38……….15200…&lt;br /&gt;&amp;##8230;….16100&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 106px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;……….500&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;……….1900&lt;br /&gt;……….2900&lt;br /&gt;……….4900&lt;br /&gt;-20……….6780&lt;br /&gt;-15……….11200&lt;/span&gt;&lt;comment title="/font" xmlns="http://disruptive-innovations.com/zoo/nvu"&gt;&lt;img src="chrome://editor/content/images/tag-comment.gif" /&gt;&lt;!--/font--&gt;&lt;/comment&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 106px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;15 and 21 kHz with-60 db&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 106px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;15 with-60 db&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 106px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 106px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;3000 ghost @-24 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 106px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;3000 ghhost/-24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 106px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 164px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;13000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 164px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-38……….1000&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-40……….1200&lt;br /&gt;-30……….5800…&lt;br /&gt;𕢦….6800&lt;br /&gt;-26……….8100&lt;br /&gt;-14……….10700&lt;br /&gt;-9……….15400&lt;br /&gt;-26……….17800&lt;br /&gt;-24……….19000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;comment title="/font" xmlns="http://disruptive-innovations.com/zoo/nvu"&gt;&lt;!--/font--&gt;&lt;/comment&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 164px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;……….400&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;…… .1000&lt;br /&gt;…….15600&lt;br /&gt;-36.….3500&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;……...3800&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-32….5800&lt;br /&gt;…….6200&lt;br /&gt;-32….6800&lt;br /&gt;-26….8200&lt;br /&gt;…….8500&lt;br /&gt;…….9100&lt;br /&gt;-14….10600&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 164px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Clear &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 164px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Clear&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 164px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 164px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;10000 ghost @-32&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 164px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 164px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 206px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;14000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 206px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-40……….200 1200 2000 2800 48005200 10100&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-32……….41200&lt;br /&gt;-30……….6800&lt;br /&gt;-24……….7800 .9200&lt;br /&gt;&gt; -13……….11800&lt;br /&gt;-8……….16500&lt;br /&gt;……….15000 .15500&lt;br /&gt;only for &gt;30 &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-30….7800…8100&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-24….8800….9100&lt;br /&gt;-24….10100.11200&lt;br /&gt;-16….12600..13100&lt;br /&gt;-6….17600….18000 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 206px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 206px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;-72 with &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;2000 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;6000 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;10000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;18000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;20000kHz &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 206px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 206px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 206px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;9000 kHz ghost @-20 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 206px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 206px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;1000/-24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 37px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;15000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;8500/-24 db ghost &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;5000/-24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 37px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;15500 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;8000 /-32 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;7000/-23&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 37px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;0/-24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 40px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;16000 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 40px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal ) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 40px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 40px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 40px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 40px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 40px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;7000 /-23 db &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 40px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;8000……….30&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 40px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;1000/-24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 36px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;18000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 36px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 36px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 36px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 36px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 36px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 36px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;5000/-24 db&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 36px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;5000 ghost /-24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 36px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;2000/-24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 30px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;19000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 30px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 30px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 30px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 30px; width: 41px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 30px; width: 37px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Is cldear ( no signal)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 30px; width: 67px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;4000/-24 db&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 30px; width: 54px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 30px; width: 35px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;3000/-24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="width: 47px; height: 35px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 35px; width: 102px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Lo - nor Xing &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="height: 35px; width: 84px;" valign="top"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Lo var Xing&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; 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&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-7201881959817475136?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/7201881959817475136/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=7201881959817475136&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/7201881959817475136'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/7201881959817475136'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/02/mp3-comparison-chart-of-two-encoders_16.html' title=''/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-3953765688429388614</id><published>2008-02-16T15:07:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2008-02-16T17:26:52.635+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='MP3 player'/><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;big&gt;Crash testing with Napa DAV315&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"&gt;version  blogspot  original article &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a style="font-style: italic;" href="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/napa.htm"&gt;here in Geocities&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Following my interest in MP3 technology the last years and the big list in MP3 in songs recorded throughout the years, the information read from many magazines and e-newsletters and web pages , I have finally decided that a MP3CD player could be the ideal solution for me to replace my walkman and my other CD player. This was also the result after a recent purchase of a CD recorder whose main use will be at first for any necessary future backup at first as well as for collecting this material just in MP3CDs&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The S/N of the model is DB02007083 manufactured April 2001&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you know I like to make inspections of any interesting gadgets. And here is an exhaustive analysis for the Napa 315. And much better as I recently bought a CD recorder that helped much in makling a line of Cds for the testing and normal playback of my big collection of more than 2500 songs from tapes , Cds and SW recordings .&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;table border="1" width="100%"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td valign="bottom" width="100%"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;u&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Before of all just to notice :&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/u&gt; Although volume is OK  for     headphones  with number s till 6-7 , &lt;strong&gt;when connecting  to a HIFI , the level of     19 connected to the  headphones socket is  very low . line out is also much lower more     than  6 decibels lower and still adjustable by the vol level. ( possbly below the 15 uV     though 200 uV are the standards on all audio equipment !! ) &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;  &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/316.jpg" alt="316.jpg (31272 bytes)" start="fileopen" height="336" width="317" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Part 1 - appearance &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Appearence&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/big&gt;: &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;This model has a very nice 'trendy' Appearance supplied in a plastic firm pack and includes a mains power supply with the uncommon level of 5 VDC of half width than any other commercial power supply I have ever seen , two NimH batteries , a belt , a stereo jack to 2 RCA for connecting to hi-fi and earphones&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;4 buttons are from the left side acting having slightly different functions between CD and MPCD operation the and 4 buttons from the right side having a a button lock , two for digital volume and one for various modes ( ie acting as menu )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Battery charger &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;This means that CD player has a built in battery charger requiring to abt 15 hrs to fully charge the batteries. It is required to charge in full. Their nominal storage is 1.6 Ah . LCD also shows the battery status with 3 level bars . I t seems t&lt;strong&gt;hat the adapter is&lt;u&gt; still charging&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; while NAPA 315 is playing. Actually the voltage  as measured with&lt;u&gt; multimeter shown 4,68 VDC&lt;/u&gt; and must be connected to mains supply if plug is connected to   the unit , or the unit is NOT working ..&lt;br /&gt;Also in case of low bateries the unit plays the song and stopsd after rebuffering&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;big&gt;Instruction guide &lt;/big&gt;- &lt;big&gt;acessories&lt;/big&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Its &lt;strong&gt;instruction guide&lt;/strong&gt;  uses very small letters. I suppose they use fonts of 6 picas and smaller in the case of the gray notices. Although for me is a bit OK with the gray notices to read a bit difficult , I think that a little bigger font could be better for reading&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;strong&gt;belt&lt;/strong&gt; is relatively big for the player's size and quite wide and thick . It mostly reminds usage of …. professional photo cameras&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The headphones are very typical with nothing impressive Just a little treble from abrt3.5 kHz and over ,  regarding to my&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt; Kenwood DPC183 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;open air headphoneswhiu ch i use as standard headphones also in DXing.  &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Part 2 Operation - buttons playlists &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;big&gt;Using the buttons &lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When playing any Audio CD the search skip buttons act as FW and REW When playing MP files they act as file search , unless [&lt;strong&gt;DIR&lt;/strong&gt;] option from mode is used&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now for the &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;MODE&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;] &lt;/span&gt;button . It works like a menu with many options show in brief  and how buttons are used &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;pre&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;strong&gt;RPT&lt;/strong&gt;  (repeat function )&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;one&lt;/strong&gt; (repeat continuously same song)    next  prev work OK&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt;  (again from start)      next  prev work OK&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;dir&lt;/strong&gt;  (repeat only what is from this directory)   next  prev work OK&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;int&lt;/strong&gt;  (play only the first 10 secs )     next  prev work OK&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;rnd&lt;/strong&gt;  (random play and stop at end )    next : next random  prev; NO&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;rnd al&lt;/strong&gt;l(random from all directories)    next : next random  prev; NO&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;rnd dir&lt;/strong&gt; (random from this directory only )   next : next random  prev; NO &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;  &lt;pre&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;E &lt;/strong&gt;(equalizer)&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;cls&lt;/strong&gt;  (classic music)&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;pop&lt;/strong&gt;  (pop music )&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;jaz&lt;/strong&gt;  (jazz music)&lt;br /&gt;/ &lt;strong&gt;rck&lt;/strong&gt;  (rock) They are spectrum analyzed by software and info shown at end of this file &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;  &lt;pre&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;strong&gt;File&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;/ dir&lt;/strong&gt; (sequential selection of files or by directory ) &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;big&gt;LCD&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now for the LCD . When operating it shows if the CD used is a &lt;strong&gt;AuCD&lt;/strong&gt; or &lt;strong&gt;MPCD&lt;/strong&gt; and even&lt;strong&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"&gt;&lt;u&gt;(undocumented!) VCD&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; At left down shows the serial number of the song, as &lt;strong&gt;it does not show any ID3tag or even a filenam&lt;/strong&gt;e,which is a feature only in the next model 516,  and the time elapsed. As also other reposrts refer 315  &lt;strong&gt;does not have a backligh&lt;/strong&gt;t I m not interested in it as i always use it near to a fluorescent lamp.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It claims to be capable to support directory searching, CDR/W disc and multi-session and it is tryue . See later about this&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Playlists &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I did not tried , but as documented  it can make a playlist of maximum of 32 tracks &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Part 3 MP3 usage &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Incorect loading of MP3 CD &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The unit displays Err 3 . I do not know the code but it seems to load the Cd again ( and press a little more) &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;strong&gt;File numbering and sorting &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;- possibly the first most important feature&lt;br /&gt;Here is something regarding the file numbreiung&lt;br /&gt;315  uses the way a directory sorting uses. This is exactly what a &lt;strong&gt;dir *.mp3 /s under DOS &lt;/strong&gt;can show I have seen that it has a  direct relationship to which   buning program has been  used.&lt;br /&gt;For example with usage of Nero ( Mode 1 and MOde 2) and Easy CD 3 or 5  give dirferent results:&lt;br /&gt;More clearly &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;pre&gt;Nero MOde 1      mode 2      Easy Cd&lt;br /&gt;0-9     0-9    0-9&lt;br /&gt;A-Z    A-Z caps all   a-Z case insensitive&lt;br /&gt;a-z &lt;/pre&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also in case of subdirectories the sequence of sorting goes this way: &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;pre&gt;C:\&lt;br /&gt;C:\A\A&lt;br /&gt;C:\A\B&lt;br /&gt;C:\A&lt;br /&gt;C:\B\A&lt;br /&gt;C:\B\B&lt;/pre&gt;  &lt;p&gt;and so on &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Maximum nmber of tracks recognized &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also &lt;strong&gt;verify&lt;/strong&gt; the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;documented maximum number of 630 counted tracks &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;in a CD having exactly 1000 MP3s all made under 16 kHz sampling rate. ( total recognized time 45.49 hrs!) Documentation shows also in case of 10 directoriues the numbers pfrecognized MP3 clips can lower to 620 At first it was pretty good to recognize the list of 290 files  of a total CD-A time of 72:48 in 12 seconds (MPs of 15 hrs total time !) &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;big&gt;Playback of  MP3s  &lt;/big&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In all cases , the unit  first  sees it as cd then idetifies if ti is a MP3 Cd or VCD  then  in case of MP3 Cd tries top count the numbers of MP3 files ( and tales about  5-15 secs  for this)  then starts to paly the first song with always at the preset volume of 19 . &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The FFW and REW  work only for file searching rather than searching inside the track&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Here you will find a  series of observations and mysterious conditions All recordings are made with Nero &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;- Crop of ends !!! &lt;em&gt;If a music file does not have an end with silence , the player will crop about 0.3-0.4 secs from it ( and possibly caounter  will roll )&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;- VBR and constant rate &lt;/strong&gt;while&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;playing a VBR song   25% of 6:25 mins  length the counter in many stances stopped for a few secs or minutes untill showing the end of the song &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;- IN many cases isaw that at the end of the songs of rate of 96 kb  the counter was rolling too fast This especially happens when using Trimmer MP3 trim  to trim out the ends of a song&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; -One also peculiar case : During random song playback , epecially if  number diference is too high , the unit seems to hang up. .This problem is most significant when burning is set to TAO ( track at once) , but onDAO ( disk at once) the problem still happendss especially  if  unit is only battery operated. The motor spins veryfast , just recognizes the song but ddoes not start playback. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;- &lt;strong&gt;ECD 5&lt;/strong&gt; : Counter neer shown the exact number of MP3 files in included in the CD.&lt;br /&gt;I do not know what is really the problem but ECD5 seems to be problematic especially for the MP3 Only as a typical computer CD is recognized in full&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;big&gt;Bit rates &lt;/big&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;(tech)&lt;br /&gt;Using the older tactic for MP3 testing , as shown on the specialized page , I re-used same files to check the ability of the NAPA player to playback them. Here are the results&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;strong&gt;Constant rat&lt;/strong&gt;e&lt;br /&gt;320 250 192 160 128 112 96 80 64 56 48 40 32 28 20 18 16 8/11 8/8 .&lt;br /&gt;From these standards only the latest two were not recognized by the unit just the time counter rolls fast  till end. See at the end of this paragpah for more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;strong&gt; VBR 5 &lt;/strong&gt;scales per Xing .  Counter was rolling normally.&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;strong&gt; steps of 10% &lt;/strong&gt;as per MM5  Both ways have been heard perfectly&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;strong&gt; a tone of 1000 Hz&lt;/strong&gt; for auudio level check .more for this later&lt;br /&gt;- f&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;ake MP3 from a .wav file ! Tough all programs hung , program did try its best to play the file as cratches and hisses .Stopped finally but not hung &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal;"&gt; - &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;!--/strong--&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;test audio with 8 bit resolution at various bit rates . All files   olayed OK with  the same audio, even soem older files shown a diferent dynamic audio range while playing on Winamp&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;- new MP3 plus (128 ) mode also played OK but with the 64 kb rate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;- 8/8 and 8/11 modes shown many peculialrities. BY instances the unit played them well , by otrher instances the unit did not pleyd them, but just counter was rolling very fast.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal;"&gt; -unit produces high frequency hiss for rates lower than 40 kb gradually increasing as rates are lowered&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;WMA and RA, are not recognized&lt;/span&gt; . Could like to see something later to recognize both formats !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Multisession&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It plays normally in multi session . However it seems to have a problem when the new session is in the root directory and previous sessions are in directories and also in cases when buffer underrun has been happened. ( tghough still the unit can paly  the CD tll the bad sector)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a few cases when new files are on root directory, the unit tries to recognize th CD , starts to play the first by letter and after 5 secs it stops playing ( hung)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This hanging found also in some ogther cases esp ewhen the file is at the end of a doirectory&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Antishock and buffer NEW&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Buffer&lt;/span&gt;: the unit has a 120 sec buffer as ESP checked as when the unit re-reads the CD( rebufering) . I have checked with 96 112 and 128 kb files for the moment and found that rebufering can happen 116 secs from start  of song for the 128 kb rate and every 116 secs to restart reading CD . For 112 and 96 kb the times to 're-bufer' are 130 and 150 ( instead of 160) secs respectively .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Antishock &lt;/span&gt;and car usage :When drivign in a good quality asphalt roads there is not a ny problem. However as in Greece many roads are very old or remade , when driving over harsh asphalt roads with 80 km /hr or more , antishock mechanism can shut off the unit after 1-4 rebufferings . I have found that using a small face towel the problem can fully be solved .Just fold the towel and put the CD unit with three levels of folded towel&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;Antishock and buffer&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Buffer&lt;/span&gt;: the unit has a 120 sec buffer as ESP checked as when the unit re-reads the CD( rebufering) . I have checked with 96 112 and 128 kb files for the moment and found that rebufering can happen 116 secs from start  of song for the 128 kb rate and every 116 secs to restart reading CD . For 112 and 96 kb the times to 're-bufer' are 130 and 150 ( instead of 160) secs respectively .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Antishock and car usage &lt;/span&gt;:When drivign in a good quality asphalt roads there is not a ny problem. However as in Greece many roads are very old or remade , when driving over harsh asphalt roads with 80 km /hr or more , antishock mechanism can shut off the unit after 1-4 rebufferings . I have found that using a small face towel the problem can fully be solved .Just fold the towel and put the CD unit with three levels of folded towel&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-weight: bold;"&gt;Other modes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-weight: bold;"&gt;CD audio and relate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-weight: bold;font-family:Courier;" &gt;d features:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As about playback of different Cd types this already has been discussed. I t plays all the types - originals and computer copies , without any problem&lt;br /&gt;A default operation when using CD is the120 sec antishock protection and can be disabled by the mode button . ESP is also shown in the LCD&lt;br /&gt;IN contrast MP3 has this facility built in&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Support of CD-A formats and models&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a multisession , multi type reader , it plays all the Cd ytpes , even the types  that computer drives and CD players do not 100% support !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Example 1 : INTENSO CDs are not supported on my 52x drive. The NAPA player did support it very well&lt;br /&gt;Example 2 . Recorded a 20 track CD-A from various kinds of music and different formats (MP3 and WMA) with the use of the bundled Easy CD 5 and 'CD text' and with various speeds on NONAME (bulk) CDs . The result has been tested in Napa , two Cd players and our HI-FI and here are the results&lt;br /&gt;Nero has been lent for this purpose only.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;rg used and CD             AIWA     KENW1 KENW2    NAPA&lt;br /&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;ASKA         NERO TAO 10x       #      +     +     +&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;Bulk         ECD5 DAO 8 x       #      -     -    +&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;Bulk         ECD5 Dao 6 x       #      -     -    +&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;Bulk         ECD5 dao 4x        #        -   +      +&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;Bulk         NERO DAO 8 x        buffer underun&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;Bulk         NERO DAO 4         buffer underrun&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;Philips CDA  ECD3               +/#     +/#     +       +&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;Intenso      ECD3               +        #      +       +&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;ASKA was the best CD used for the moment ( 10 x as standard)&lt;br /&gt;TAO=track at once , DAO= disk at once ECD = Easy CD creator ,prg bundled with&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notices :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Aiwa &lt;/span&gt;shown mechanical jitter/problems when trying to identify the disks, nearly in all the cases except Philips recorded at 4x. At most cases it had to 'wait' for 10 secs to read the sectors., then counting tracks and starting after a while to play tracks . In many cases denied to work&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Kenw &lt;/span&gt;1( DPC 183) is my walkman It immediately read the ASKA CD even if is recorded at so high speed , though older recordings from a friend with ECD 3 shown two very bad points of 'skipping' ( unable to read ) and 'shifting' ( next sector)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Kenw2 &lt;/span&gt;is another walkman used for the test, It shown 100 % accurate readings from all 'problematic' Cds per DPC183 walkman&lt;br /&gt;NAPA read all these systems without problems&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;VCD &lt;/span&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;The CD I used shows 3 directories a CDI a VCD and a MpegAV with the real data with .dat shown instead of .mpg or .avi&lt;br /&gt;The VCD I have is an album of Andy a very good hit Chinese singer and audio used is matrix encoded ( ie L+ R and L-R are heard instead of pure L/R.)&lt;br /&gt;Is this the Chinese standard?&lt;br /&gt;Have not other VCDs to test&lt;br /&gt;Just for reference this VCD is played exactly as a classical audio CD with the CD rolling continuously once it is played&lt;br /&gt;The FFW abd BCK buttons of CD work here as track change&lt;br /&gt;No antishock info is shown on the LCD during this mode&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Playback on Multisession , mixed CD and VCD&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again both programs ( Nero and ECD 5 ) have been used with various results shown here :( and too many cds have been burned for this)&lt;br /&gt;And soemthing other. In case of a damaged CD or dead points on its surface, the unit can show the serial song number but most times canot play the song (irregular counter time , irregular sounds and hang ion) . In this case you can select the next track&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Nero&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Nero with closed &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(80, 80, 80); font-style: italic;"&gt;session &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;worked perfectly on NAPA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Nero at multisession : NAPA found &lt;/span&gt;all directories&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; on multi session CD and played them well ( in contrast to ECD5)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;ECD 5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;MP3 only 2 sessions: 214 out of 258 MP3 songs have been shown , the 2nd session track was not recognized!&lt;br /&gt;Mixed CD with ECD5 : CD-A tracks were not recognized only MP files have been counted by player but could not play them ( just show 00.00)&lt;br /&gt;Newer session over it: still no playback&lt;br /&gt;ECD5 with MP files only: again nothing&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Original albums&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mixed cd and VCD ( avi): VCD shown at the LCD of player, the CD rolls continuously , the CDA tracks are shown, but nothing more happens ….'&lt;br /&gt;Video CD : (list of files on root, video files in directory as .dat ) :song were recognized and played well&lt;br /&gt;MP3 Mag CD the MP3 files have not been found by the player ( MP3 files were in sub directory )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;APPENDIX -TECHNICAL ANALYSIS&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Volume and outputs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Player uses a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;digital volume &lt;/span&gt;with 32 steps&lt;br /&gt;After CD starts to play , the player uses the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;preset volume set of 19&lt;/span&gt; ( of a total of 32steps ) which is too high in a quiet environment&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;At same environment with normalized tracks or MP files the best volume set is 4-5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;IN contrast when connecting to a HIFI, the volume must be set to the predetermined level and use the ear jack ( 19) instead of line out total output will be very low&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Line out:&lt;/span&gt; Its level is much lower and is adjustable (!!!) by the volume control at 6.5 db lower . It is something I dislike because line out must always be fixed level&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Playback of MP3 rates below 40kbit shows a hiss re-generation audible especially at the lowest volume levels ( 1-5)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255); font-weight: bold;"&gt;Audio levels &lt;/span&gt;for 1 kHz sinus tone /-6 db MP3 audio analyzing software from the ear output . For the line output please subtract 6.5 db&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;0     60 Noise Floor &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;1     48&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;2     43&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;3     38,3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;4     33,6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;5     29,9&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;6     27&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;7     25&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;8     23&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;9     21&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;10    19&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;11    18&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;12    17&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;13    16&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;14    15&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;15    14&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;16    13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;17    12&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;18    11&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;19    10&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;20    9&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;21    8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;22    7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;23    6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;24    5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;25    4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;26    3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;27    2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;28    1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;29    0&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;30    1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;31    2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;32    3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Equalizer and audio response&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As shown above there are 4 equalizer modes: classic, pop jazz and rock&lt;br /&gt;Tested with a freeware computer spectrum analyzer program and have seen the following results with a white noise file as referred above :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;FLAT     -7          0&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;        -12      12000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;        -22      21900&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;CLASSIC  -8       &lt;400&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;        -12       4000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;        -15.5    13000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;        -16.3    14000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;        -19.2    21000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;POP    -12        1800&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -16       14000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;14.5     14200&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -16.4     20700&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -26       22000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;JAZZ   -11        4000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -15       10000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -17       10800&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -21        2000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;ROCK   -10         250&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -14.5      1000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -12.5      4000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -17       20600&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Courier;"&gt;       -32       22450&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testing the random numbering with 258 MP files&lt;br /&gt;Try1: 001 202 134 184 186 018 143 118 174&lt;br /&gt;Try2: 001 110 104 005 217 158 137 238 210&lt;br /&gt;Try3: 001 020 027 239 251 229 138 083 094&lt;br /&gt;Try4: 001 248 025 239 253 170 126 231 012&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore there is not any standard randomization&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Conclusions&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As shown with the above tests , the NAPA 315 seem to be a very good CDA, VCD and MP3 Player except very few peculiar cases.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;IN general I m very impressed with it and the MP3 ability to exceed too muchof the time of any CD or tape player without changing tapes or CDs As for example with the MPCD refered at the start of this web page, with 290 songs, recorded at 96 kbit, had a total of 15h 10 minutes of total playback, 630 MB of space used or 72:48 Cd time !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-3953765688429388614?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/3953765688429388614/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=3953765688429388614&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/3953765688429388614'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/3953765688429388614'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/02/crash-testing-with-napa-dav315-version.html' title=''/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-5699145551116570453</id><published>2008-02-16T14:16:00.012+02:00</published><updated>2008-03-15T15:13:23.064+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='radio'/><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 128);font-size:180%;" &gt;SINPFEMO&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;-------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A better  signal tech analysis  by using F/TDM analysis drawings in specialized reports&lt;br /&gt;(version blogger )&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Considering that  SINPFEMO  does not 100 % cover the truth  from listeners point of view  in regards to signal readability QRM and fading  I  have used for more than  4 years   derived  from more specialized monitoring equipment  such as Hewlett Packard  , Rohde &amp;amp; Shwartz etc&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I think however that both terms  shown below  are very easy to understand however there is still a little analysis  behind them on how i used them so far.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;#1. Frequency domain analysis&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;...................#1b. About computer DSP analysis on FDM&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;#2. Time domain analysis ( fading analysis)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;...................#2a.Cases of 'Short' time fading found on SW:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;...................#2b.Cases of long term fadings&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;#3. More advanced way for domain analysis&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;#4 Using R75 and specialized programs New.gif (908 bytes)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;....................#4a Smart Icom 32 and R75&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;....................#4b:Use of DSP and R75&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/@/%CE%A4%CE%B1%20%CE%AD%CE%B3%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%AC%20%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%85/%21FrontPage%20Webs/zach/sinpfemo.htm#1.%20Frequency%20domain%20analysis"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/@/%CE%A4%CE%B1%20%CE%AD%CE%B3%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%AC%20%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%85/%21FrontPage%20Webs/zach/sinpfemo.htm#1.%20Frequency%20domain%20analysis"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/@/%CE%A4%CE%B1%20%CE%AD%CE%B3%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%AC%20%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%85/%21FrontPage%20Webs/zach/sinpfemo.htm#4b%20:%20Use%20of%20DSP%20and%20R75"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name="1. Frequency domain analysis"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1. Frequency domain analysis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I used two  types of  analysis -with the help of a drawing. The first way is with the use of bars and the second  with the use of bell shaped curves  that still can show on how a  signal could be QRMed  from a nearby station . As that times my  older receiver HF150 or previously SONY IDCF7600 D did not include S meters  I  was unfortunate to deliver drawings  with accurate drawings, Instead of it my drawings were made with the totally subjective audibility standards as used by the  SINP(FEM)O  standards&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Nowadays  the usage of ICOM R75  with its AFC derived S meter fixed  a bit  of this problem. There are still  not 100% accurate   readings  as (modulated) signals exceeding S9   levels are still not correctly read !For a level  with the R75 you can still do a little more by using ATT (-25 db )  and then preamp ( in any scale from 10 or 16 dB ) in order to record  the fading levels &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; This case be done more easily  with more specialized interfaces  such as SDU from Grove ( direct to IF stage if receiver permits  ) or by using laboratory surveillance equipment ( the o.m. models of HP , R&amp;amp;S etc)&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;However there is still a question  on which is the best way  to measure the signals for receivers as R75 :&lt;br /&gt;1.The one is  reading  on the S indicator during AM / AM Narrow&lt;br /&gt;2. The second is  checking  the signal with CW analysis and using as narrow as possible bandwidth in order to narrow down  the width of carrier (??) and clear out from the modulated  signal.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Below is the idea with pictures. Please save this file and these pictures  as under this analysis they may not be clear&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;center&gt;  &lt;table border="1" cellspacing="1"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bUY5_fMqI/AAAAAAAAAIg/EHXdAB26JiM/s1600-h/sinpo.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bUY5_fMqI/AAAAAAAAAIg/EHXdAB26JiM/s320/sinpo.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167551146803278498" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Please open picture in a separate web page&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Picture with bars&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;The above  picture is  from very old logs for Vo Malaysia on     15295 during the times  93-94 with VoLiberty shown at left part and RFI ( France ) at     right. Of course  it can not show any QRM problems encountered&lt;br /&gt;Dotted  lines show the depth  of fading.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;This  is my main way for signal  reporting&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bUZZ_fMsI/AAAAAAAAAIw/Go5RAdof4uw/s1600-h/sinpo3.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bUZZ_fMsI/AAAAAAAAAIw/Go5RAdof4uw/s320/sinpo3.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167551155393213122" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Picture with bell curves&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This can show clearly  the QRM problem from both stations though  still      cannot deliver any problems encountered by modulation though this curve can oversimplify     the term &lt;i&gt;modulation &lt;/i&gt;when used on that manner (I found many signals being     quite strong  but low modulation)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bUZJ_fMrI/AAAAAAAAAIo/5pSVgW23VYM/s1600-h/sinpo2.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bUZJ_fMrI/AAAAAAAAAIo/5pSVgW23VYM/s320/sinpo2.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167551151098245810" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:100%;" &gt;Picture  with modulation analysis&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is possibly the most accurate  way to describe the characteristics of a      signal that  can also show the modulation index as well as tha audio quality. But how     easy id for anyone to do it? I think that ONLY computer made techniques  can do it or     real time analysis  by the specialized equipment can do it (?)&lt;br /&gt;+With the spectrum analyzers you can too see any carriers and other signals that can lie     inside the passband++&lt;br /&gt;Of curse still co channel QRM cannot be seen this way except the aural way ....or with the     use of LPDA antennas&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt; &lt;/center&gt;&lt;/div&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;i&gt;+++added 5-5++&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name="1b. About computer DSP analysis on FDM"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1b. About computer DSP analysis on FDM&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Fortunately  with  the use of modern computer analysis  with soundcards and the shareware audio programs such as Cooledit   part of FDM  can be analyzed relatively easily. For example Cooledit  has a &lt;b&gt;spectrum analyzer&lt;/b&gt;. This way  audio snippets from either  side of signal ( LSB and USB separately  ) can show not only the modulation levels  (and calculating the index - providing  that signal is off tuned )   but also show any other carriers that lie inside  the (pass)band with greater accuracy a/o strength that any HF receiver  can show&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name="2. Time domain analysis ( fading analysis)"&gt;&lt;b&gt;2. Time domain analysis ( fading analysis)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;This is the second part  of the most significant information  required  for a station (I think ). From many  measurements  I did  so far over  the years I found that  there are two  types  (at least) of fading , the one is a 'temporary' fading  that can occur in a less than 2-3 secs and another  fading that can occur  in times of minutes&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name="2a.Cases of 'Short'  time fading  found on SW:"&gt;&lt;b&gt;2a.Cases of 'Short'  time fading  found on SW:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;center&gt;  &lt;table border="1" cellspacing="1"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bU3Z_fMtI/AAAAAAAAAI4/fVKeaY2Y9pA/s1600-h/sinpo4.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bU3Z_fMtI/AAAAAAAAAI4/fVKeaY2Y9pA/s320/sinpo4.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167551670789288658" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Short time fading #1&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;This is  the main technique to show in most cases. Though a     little  arbitrary  drawing this is one of the most common cases found on HF. As     anyone may understand from this drawing  this is a sinusoidal curve ' and     refers  to only  'clear' signals ( free from QRM)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bU3p_fMuI/AAAAAAAAAJA/UfP7RukUbE8/s1600-h/sinpo5.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bU3p_fMuI/AAAAAAAAAJA/UfP7RukUbE8/s320/sinpo5.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167551675084255970" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Example #2&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Another  clear signal found esp. on 5 MHz band  Notice on how it     was the lower part with  a small fade up&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bU3p_fMvI/AAAAAAAAAJI/fR6AvYUywZQ/s1600-h/sinpo6.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bU3p_fMvI/AAAAAAAAAJI/fR6AvYUywZQ/s320/sinpo6.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167551675084255986" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Example #3 ( Angola 4950 )&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;This was another example with  signal  a little steady and sudden fade outs&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bU35_fMwI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/Uxqtg3p2_QA/s1600-h/sinpo7.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bU35_fMwI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/Uxqtg3p2_QA/s320/sinpo7.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167551679379223298" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:100%;" &gt;Example 4  Co channel QRM&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Unfortunately this drawing could  not be easy to made by     computer  this is the reason  i remade it by hand.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You see here how the signal  fluctuates. It comes mainly  when another     signal  is on (accurately saying: nearly ) co channel QRM with '&lt;i&gt;shortest fading     levels- depths &lt;/i&gt;' coming from the signal difference   between      QRMer  and QRMed  signals while the frequency  comes  from the freq     deference   between the two carriers&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;This  case     can happen also  to clear signals with much higher fading levels ( depths) sometimes     as in 18-4 -2000 when  most of the signals on tropical bands  had a fluttery of     more than 4-6 S units with a &gt;3 Hz rate probably due to ionospheric reasons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt; &lt;/center&gt;&lt;/div&gt;  &lt;p&gt;These are 4 examples  found on the SW band but there are too  many others I found so far&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name="2b.Cases of long  term fadings"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;2b.Cases of long  term fadings&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;From  my observations  there are  not so many  long term  fadings. One can be a steady signal over the time and another with very deep fades occurring  every say 5 mins ( this can happen mainly to stations  less than 2500 km  far from the RX  system ) but  here also are the fadings caused from fade ins , fade outs and ionospheric conditions as will be shown below:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;center&gt;  &lt;table border="1" cellspacing="1"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bVZp_fMxI/AAAAAAAAAJY/F2t_2CB_VLs/s1600-h/sinpo8.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bVZp_fMxI/AAAAAAAAAJY/F2t_2CB_VLs/s320/sinpo8.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167552259199808274" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Long term #1&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Here is an example - case of R Tirana some years ago and nearly the same     for R Netherlands IND service&lt;br /&gt;The signal  was steady for abt 6 mins then jumped  down to S3  for less     than 1 min&lt;br /&gt;Here  the 'short term' fading levels are not  shown&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bVcJ_fMyI/AAAAAAAAAJg/laUEWtONvdE/s1600-h/sinpo9.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bVcJ_fMyI/AAAAAAAAAJg/laUEWtONvdE/s320/sinpo9.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167552302149481250" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Long term #2 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;i&gt;fade in curves&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Here is a reference to SBC Warna 7235 ( Signapore) two months ago. The     signal  on abt 1400  was too low of the levels S5  but     gradually   enhancing to stand up to S 20  from at least 1515&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Nearly  the same can happen with fade our curve&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:100%;" &gt;Case #3 : i&lt;i&gt;onospheric problems&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Here is a case  found on 18-4 -2000 when listening to Namibia on 3290 and 3270 .     The case here is for 3270  with a signal  steady  until 1810 at S9+10     db  but afterwards gradually lowering  toS7 and standing there&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt; &lt;/center&gt;&lt;/div&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name="3. More advanced  way for domain  analysis"&gt;&lt;b&gt;3. More advanced  way for domain  analysis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;There is still another way  for making a exact F/TDM analysis   that can be completely made by computer. The method  is relatively simple   by showing  a predetermined spectrum  of say + /- 15 kHz  - or a wide as cases require  to show the spectrum  in a given time   say 1 hr and on a 3D analysis.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Though  not 100 %  sure   for this it was a special model tracer from HP  that with the combination  for spectrum analyzer has given  the results in a thermal paper&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 128);"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;big&gt;UPDATE&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; COM ON BOYS!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name="4 Using R75  and specialized programs"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;4 Using R75  and specialized programs &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name="4a Smart Icom 32 and R75"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;4a Smart Icom 32 and R75 &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;ICOM offered a control software CS-R75 or RS-R75 as optional . This year Aug 2001   i asked th e importer to order this control software at a price of  USD 42.5   as they  previouslsy told me. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;However after  two months of waiting, they finally advised me that this control software has been given up production. Fortunately from the ICOM R75  mailing list have found the software of Mark Fine Smart Icom 32  which operates directly with the receiver with the use of a serial cable 9 pin RS232. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;Using this software  for spectrum analysis was a but tricky at first but then it was very easy. Just you have to determine the l two VFOs first the A as starting point   and B the ending point. Sweep radio was however very low and I had to adjust the line pacing ( in the preferences) as low as 15-18 in order for the software to control as fast as possible ( In the preferences dialog - communications tab) with speed as high as 19200 And in the scanning parameters with delay as low as 10 ms. And still the speed was very low at a rate of 5-6 steps per second! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;With as many sweeps as possible you can have a real conditions result that can show  minima and maxima for each stations you determine.. Stopping the sweep ,   for two sweeps you  can have the average level , but for more sweeps i m not usre if thsi can show the latest sweep or the average level ( RMS) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;The  result of sweeps can be saved for later reference.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;Notice that  still under this way you can still see only the contiguous channels ,but not what s inside the channel.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;And here is an example: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;table border="1" width="100%"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="50%"&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bWBZ_fM0I/AAAAAAAAAJw/B2PLhDJwa3U/s1600-h/1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bWBZ_fM0I/AAAAAAAAAJw/B2PLhDJwa3U/s320/1.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167552942099608386" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="50%"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;Here is ana example for spectrum analysis.     This is for  a report for V of Nigeria on 0909 on 11-11 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name="4b : Use of DSP and R75"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;4b : Use of DSP and R75&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;The idea  has been  shown above on the 1b and is hown here with more detail .The basic infrormation however is that you have to use SSB with offtuining( IF shift) so that carrier can be shown. as reference for all mesurements. All is then  rereed with pictures &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;Part 1  : Spectrum analyzer. It has been refered posibly cprectly on the 1b, and can show in parts  the side band separately for  each band selection . &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;table border="1" width="100%"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="50%"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bWu5_fM1I/AAAAAAAAAJ4/eJ3FnKnmAAo/s1600-h/spect1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bWu5_fM1I/AAAAAAAAAJ4/eJ3FnKnmAAo/s320/spect1.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167553723783656274" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="50%"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;Here is a capture of a signal in USB . carrier     is shown at abt 240 Hz . YOU see a low level carrier at 500 Hz or 250 HZ above carrier &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="50%"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bWvJ_fM2I/AAAAAAAAAKA/g4zGGkghzgc/s1600-h/spect2.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bWvJ_fM2I/AAAAAAAAAKA/g4zGGkghzgc/s320/spect2.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167553728078623586" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="50%"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;RMS levels of  20 sec of signal on USB     for 11785 and shift of 500 and other carrier presumably same level . &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Part 2  &lt;/strong&gt;Fading analyzer : In contrast to above . i think that the correct for identifying the fading is with the AGC off . Tis is because the AGC can alter the S meter indications. Also in other cases I filter out the  modulation parameters  so that carreri to be pure and not interfere with the resulted carrier information&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;Notice that  i am not 100 % sure if this way can really show  the fading. level  as it is audio based. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;table border="1" width="100%"&gt;   &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="47%"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bbSJ_fM4I/AAAAAAAAAKQ/nk4SMnAqlbY/s1600-h/fad1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bbSJ_fM4I/AAAAAAAAAKQ/nk4SMnAqlbY/s320/fad1.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167558727420556162" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="53%"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;Case 1 : Fading due to co channel     interference. Abt 4.5 HZz of fading? Trace for abt 10 secs Normalized , full wave &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="47%"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bbSZ_fM5I/AAAAAAAAAKY/kzPki55vAV8/s1600-h/fad2.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bbSZ_fM5I/AAAAAAAAAKY/kzPki55vAV8/s320/fad2.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167558731715523474" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="53%"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;A  relatively  stable signal ! (     BBC) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="47%"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bbSp_fM6I/AAAAAAAAAKg/zwPQJtzpL-Q/s1600-h/cbs1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bbSp_fM6I/AAAAAAAAAKg/zwPQJtzpL-Q/s320/cbs1.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167558736010490786" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="53%"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;15060 CBS Taiwan at 1200  for10 secs     short term fading This picture is a close up of the picture shown as below. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;   &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td width="34%"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bbSJ_fM3I/AAAAAAAAAKI/SS_DF4ESrnM/s1600-h/cbs2.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bbSJ_fM3I/AAAAAAAAAKI/SS_DF4ESrnM/s320/cbs2.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167558727420556146" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;     &lt;td width="53%"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;15060 CBS Taiwan at 1200  for 2 mins     -middle term fading . Includes also the above picture You can see the fading is somehow     periodic. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;Please tell me your opinions by return email to me at &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=249827&amp;amp;id=770974854" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://photos-854.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v164/41/59/770974854/n770974854_249827_9843.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-5699145551116570453?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/5699145551116570453/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=5699145551116570453&amp;isPopup=true' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/5699145551116570453'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/5699145551116570453'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/02/sinpfemo-better-signal-tech-analysis-by.html' title=''/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R7bUY5_fMqI/AAAAAAAAAIg/EHXdAB26JiM/s72-c/sinpo.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-8030426644503479583</id><published>2008-01-10T22:19:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2008-01-10T22:23:17.768+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='radio'/><title type='text'>HDFM το ψηφιακο ραδιοφωνο της Αμερικης</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Notice: this is an article I published  last year in Greek about the American digital radio in a greek web site. The theme is also on the page: &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/reviews/item/27"&gt;http://zlgr.multiply.com/reviews/item/27&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:130%;" &gt;HDFM – HD radio&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η αντιπρόταση το ψηφιακού ραδιόφωνου στην ΗΠΑ&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Το HD radio σχεδιάστηκε σαν μια επέκταση της υπάρχουσας τεχνολογίας ετσι ώστε να είναι απολύτως συμβατή με τα σημερινά ραδιόφωνα AM και FM και να προσφέρει πέρα από την υψηλή ποιότητα ήχου εφάμιλλη με τα CD την ικανότητα να ανθίσταται σε περιπτώσει ανωμαλίας της διάδοσης από ανακλάσεις (πχ σε βουνα όταν πχ χρησιμοποιείται στα αυτοκίνητα το σήματα να ακούγεται πάντα σαν να ήταν δηλ σταθερό )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Αυτή ήταν από την αρχή η φιλοσοφία το HD. Το σχεδιασμό και την μελέτη ανέλαβε η εταιρία Ιbiquity , προϊόν συγχώνευσης των εταιριών Lucent (εταιρία που ασχολείται και με δορυφορικά συστήματα εκπομπής ) και της Westinghouse&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Οι περισσότεροι μεταφράζουν τον όρο HD σε High Definition. Αντίθετα η εταιρία Ibiquity επεξηγεί ότι το HD σημαίνει hybrid digital (υβριδικό ψηφιακό )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Μετά από λεπτομερείς μελέτες της επιτροπής ράδιο συστημάτων ( NRSC) και τη ένωσης ραδιοτηλεοπτικών σταθμών (NAB) το αμερικανικό ΕΣΡ (FCC) ενέκρινε την χρησιμοποίηση του συστήματος από το ραδιοφωνικό δίκτυο το 2002 . Περισσότερες πληροφορίες παρακάτω&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Τα βασικα   (τεχνική ορολογια!! ) &lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Δειγματοληψία &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Χρησιμοποιείται το codec (κωδικοποιητης – αποκωδικοποιητης) HDC . to codec αυτό είναι προϊόν συνεργασίας της Ibiquity και της Coding Technologies. γνωστής από τα MP3 SBR (spectral band replicator ).&lt;br /&gt;Το codec αυτό στηρίζεται στην παραπάνω τεχνολογία. Η τεχνική SΒR προσφέρει την ιδία πιστότητα ήχου με τα ‘συμβατικά’ ΜΡ3 στην μισή δειγματοληψία.&lt;br /&gt;Σαν παράδειγμα ένα μουσικό κομμάτι 5 λεπτών σε MP3 στα 128kb έχει μέγεθος περίπου 5 ΜΒ , με την προσαρμογή σε SBR στα 64kb έχει μόνο 2.5 ΜΒ και έχει την ίδια ποιότητα ηχου&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Σημ Το νέο διεθνές πρότυπο του DRM προχωρά σήμερα ακόμη πιο πέρα. Από το 2005 κατάργησαν το ΜΡ3 και προχώρησαν στο AAC Plus , μια μορφη του προτύπου MP4 χρησιμοποιώντας ακόμη πιο συμπιεστικά πρωτόκολλα που φτάνουν τα 32 κ &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Διαμόρφωση  &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως και τα το DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale – το σύστημα που σε μερικα χρονια θα αντικαταστήσει την ραδιοφωνία ) έτσι και το HD radio χρησιμοποιούν την διαμόρφωση COFDM ένα πολυκάναλο σύστημα ‘με κανάλια χαμηλής ταχύτητας που απέχουν σε ίσες συχνοτικές αποστάσεις μεταξύ τους’&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η  διαμόρφωση αυτή  ήδη  χρησιμοποιείται  εκτός από  τα DRM  και στα  DVB-T  και στις γραμμές ADSL !&lt;br /&gt;Όπως θα φανεί παρακάτω  τα κανάλια COFDM τοποθετούνται εξωτερικά από το αναλογικό σήμα. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Εκπομπή σε ΑΜ&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η δειγματοληψία  στα ΑΜ  κατεβαίνει   στα 36 kbps   για στερεοφωνικό  ήχο και  20 kbps για μονοφωνικό.&lt;br /&gt;Μετρήσεις από την Ιbiquity σε συνεργασία με το ραδιοφωνικό σταθμό έδειξαν ότι περιοχή κάλυψης του σήματος ήταν σχεδόν η ιδία με την διαμόρφωση ΑΜ&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ΟΙ ιδιες μετρήσεις κατά  την  Ibiquity  πάντα,  έδειξαν ότι η ποιότητα  είναι εφάμιλλη των FM  και στις  δυο περιπτώσεις .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Βραδυνη ληψη ΑΜ: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως είναι γνωστο οι εκπομπες στα μεσαια κυματα τηνημερα μεταδιδοινται επιφανειακα ενώ τις βραδυνες ωρες ( συνηθως ετα τις 6 μμ ) η ιονοσφαιρα αντανακλα τα μακρυτρερα σηματα με αποτελεσμα η μπαντα να γεμιζει με σταθμους από πλεον απμακυρσμενες περιοχες – συνηθως μεχρι αποσταση 2500 χλμ&lt;br /&gt;ΟΙ μετρησεις  της Ibiquity  εδιξαν ότι  τα σηματα  HD εχουν  σχεδον το ιδιο βεληνεκες  με το καθαρο ΑΜ&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Until further notice, AM stations must restrict IBOC operation to daytime hours. An AM&lt;br /&gt;station with authority to operate between 6 a.m. and local sunrise (pre-sunrise hours) and between local sunset and 6 p.m. (post-sunset hours)5 may operate its hybrid IBOC system during those periods&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Στις 20-3 2003 η FCC ζήτησε από τους ραδιοσταθμούς που εκπέμπουν σε IBOC να εκπεμπυν μονο στις πρωινες (daytime) ωρες δηλ μεταξυ 6πμ-6μμ σε ιβρυδικη μορφη DA-03-831A1.pdf&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Εκπομπή  στα FM &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;H δειγματοληψία στα FM είναι 64 kbps με μέγιστη στα 96 kbps. Χαμηλώνοντας την δειγματοληψία στα 64 μπορεί να προστεθεί και δεύτερο κανάλι στην ιδια συχνότητα με δειγματοληψία στα 32 kbps&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Χρησιμοποιώντας την δειγματοληψία στα 64kb επιτρέπει την δυνατότητα να εκπέμψει και δεύτερο κανάλι στην ίδια συχνότητα με δειγματοληψία 32 kbps.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Κάλυψη &lt;/b&gt;και εδώ η  κάλυψη  με βάση τις  παραπάνω μετρήσεις της Ibiquity  ήταν οι ίδιες  με την κάλυψη με κανονική   διαμόρφωση FM&lt;br /&gt;Τα κανάλια COFDM χρησιμοποιούν PSK format&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Τροπος  εκπομπης&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως αναφερει η Ibiquity ο τροπος εκπμπης ειοναι περιπου ομοιος με τον κλασσικο τηε δορυφορικης εκπομης. Να τι γραφουν σχετικα&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Ο ραδιοφωνικος σταθμος στελενει το αναλογικο και το ψηφιακο σημα μαζι με ένα σημα ψηφακων δεδομενων&lt;br /&gt;2. το ψηφιακοσημα συμπιεςζεται κατά την εκπμπη&lt;br /&gt;3. το σημα εκπεμπεται σπο το στηστημα της κεραιας&lt;br /&gt;4. Οτιδηπποτε ανωμαλιες διαδοσης λοωγω εμποδιων κλπ λογω της δομης του σηματος (COFDM ) αγνειται από τον ψηφιακο ραδιο -δεκτη που εχει την δυνατοητανα ξεχωρισει το πραγματικο σημα και να ξεχωρισει τις παρεμβολες&lt;br /&gt;5. Ο ραδιοωνικος δεκτης λαμβανει το σημα καιαναλγοια αποκωδικοποιηει το αναλογικο η το ψηφιακο σημα&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Δομη σηματος&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Υβριδικο  ΑΜ &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/505742010/" rel="me "&gt;&lt;img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/505742010_bebb59a054_o.gif" alt="fig2jpg" align="middle" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως φαίνεται και στην παραπάνω εικόνα το πρώτο κανάλι βρίσκεται μεταξύ των καναλιών COFDM 54 και 81 με την μέγιστη επιτρεπτή ισχύ gia το πρωτεύον -20db εν σχέση με το φέρον σήμα με βάση τις προδιαγραφές της FCC . Το δεύτερο κανάλι βρίσκεται μεταξύ 27 και 53 και το τρίτο κάτω από το βασικό αναλογικό φάσμα . Και τα δυο κανάλια εκπέμπονται στην πάνω και κάτω πλευρική (είναι συμμετρικά) . Τα κανάλια 1 , 27 και 53 χρησιμοποιούνται για ειδικές υπηρεσίες ελέγχου του IBOC και χρησιμοποιούν διαμόρφωση 16QAM&lt;br /&gt;H διαμόρφωση των πρωτευόντων είναι 64 QAM , των δευτερευόντων 16QAM και των τριτευόντων QPSK . η ισχύς του πρωτεύοντος ειναι σταθερή στα -30 dbC (εν σχέση με το φέρον ) ενώ των δευτερευόντων /τριτευόντων είναι μεταβλητή από -43 dbC και χαμηλότερα&lt;br /&gt;Το παραπάνω  δείχνει την λογική του IBOC -in band on channel – σαν υβριδική μορφή εκπομπής .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η απόσταση μεταξύ των καναλιών OFDM  είναι 181.69 Hz &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Μια ακομη σημαντικη λεπτομερεια ¨Τα καναλαια της πανω πλευρικης (27-81) εχεουν τις ιδιες πληροφοριες με τηςκατω πλευρικης (-27 με -81) . Για ακομη μεγαλυτερη ασφαλεια των δεδομενων τα καναλια της κατω πλευρικης εχεουν μια καθυστερηση κατά 4.5 δευτερολεπτα. Και αυτό γινετα σε περπιτωση που χαθουν οι πληροφοριες της ανω πλευρικης να χρησιμοποιηθουν οι πληροφοριερς της ακτω πλευρικης&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως παρατηρειτε το ευρος του πομπου από το στανταρ που είναι περιπου 10 kHz αυτοματα τριπλασιαζεται ! Γιαυτο οι περισσοτεροι κατακριτες του σηστηματος το κατηγορουν ότι είναι IBAC (in band adjacent channel – εσωφασματικο σε γειτονικο καναλι ) αντι IBOC (εσωφασματικο – εσωκαναλο )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Πληρως ψηφιακο ΑΜ&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/505742048/"&gt;&lt;img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/207/505742048_62c6df1ce9_o.gif" alt="fig3" align="middle" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως φαίνεται τα πράγματα αλλάζουν . Το πρωτεύον κανάλι ήχου τοποθετείται στην θέση του αναλογικού καναλιού , το δεύτερο κανάλι τοποθετείται στην επάνω πλευρική και το τρίτο κανάλι στην κάτω πλευρική συμμετρικά. Το εύρος είναι συνολικά 20 KΗz&lt;br /&gt;Όλα  τα κανάλια  OFDM   χρησιμοποιούν 64QAM&lt;br /&gt;Επίσης στην σύνθεση των φερόντων προστίθεται και η σύνθεση των υπηρεσιών.(sevice mode ) και αφορά την ανάμιξη των λογικών καναλιών ΜΑ1, ΜΑ2 ΜΑ3 και ΜΑ4 . Τα ΜΑ1/2 αφορούν το υβριδικό σύστημα και τα 3/ 4 το αμιγές ψηφιακό. Τα ΜΑ2 και 4 προσφέρουν μεγαλύτερη έξοδο (throughput ) ρίχνοντας την αντοχή του&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;FM &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Απλό υβριδικό FM&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/505771033/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/210/505771033_8163f7651c_o.gif" alt="fig4" height="303" width="572" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως φαίνεται εδώ , το υβριδικό ακολουθεί την δομή των AM. Το ψηφιακό μέρος χρησιμοποιεί από 190 κανάλια και στις δυο πλευρικές&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Εκτεταμένο  υβριδικό FM &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/505741982/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/218/505741982_5116d257f7_o.gif" alt="fig5" height="268" width="572" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Εδώ το αναλογικό σήμα ‘συμπιέζεται και στον κενό χώρο προστίθεται ένα δεύτερο ψηφιακό κανάλι. Η ισχύς των καναλιών είναι σταθερή στα -45.8 dbC (εν σχέση με το φέρον )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ψηφιακο FM &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr/505741922/" title="Photo Sharing"&gt;&lt;img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/505741922_276ea1a8ef_o.gif" alt="fig6" height="277" width="572" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Εδώ όπως φαίνεται τα πράγματα μπερδεύουν ακόμη περισσότερο. ‘Διώχνοντας’ τα αναλογικό κανάλι προστίθεται ‘ανάστροφα’ (εν σχέση με το κανάλι 280) το πρωτεύον και μετά το δευτερεύον αφήνοντας ένα μικρό μέρος με προστασία&lt;br /&gt;Στην περίπτωση αυτή δεν χρησιμοποιείται αναλογικό φέρον , αλλά η ισχύς των πρωτευόντων καναλιών -35.8dbC αναφέρεται σε σχέση με το φέρον. Τα δευτερεύοντα κανάλια έχουν ισχύ -40.8 dbC&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Εκπομπη &lt;/b&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Στις 17 Μαρτίου 2004 η FCC έδωσε την άδεια χρήσης ξεχωριστής κεραίας για κάθε διαμόρφωση . Συνεπώς η ισχύς εξόδου είναι μεταβλητή για τα δυο μέρη και δεν χρειάζεται να γίνει μετατροπή στην υπάρχουσα εγκατάσταση&lt;br /&gt;ΟΙ απαιτήσεις όπως καθοριστήκαν από το FCC είναι  οι ακόλουθες&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Η ψηφιακή εκπομπή πρέπει να χρησιμοποιεί την εφεδρική κεραία&lt;br /&gt; Η εφεδρική κεραία πρέπει να βρίσκεται το πολύ μεταξύ 3’’(δευτερολεπτου ) από την γεωγραφική θέση της κεραίας αναλογικής εκπομπής&lt;br /&gt; Το ýψος της  εφεδρικής κεραίας πρέπει να είναι μεταξύ 70-100%  σε σχεση με της κεραίας αναλογικής εκπομπής&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Μερικοί . σταθμοί κατηγορηθήκαν ότι ενίσχυσαν το ψηφιακό σήμα με αποτέλεσμα να επηρεάσει την λήψη στα κλασσικά ραδιόφωνα με περισσότερο θόρυβο&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Επιπλέον  δυνατότητες&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως είναι  προφανές  η ψηφιακή ραδιοφωνία   προσφέρει νέες δυνατότητες σε σχέση το κλασικό..&lt;br /&gt;Το σίγουρο είναι ότι η ποιότητα ήχου βελτιώνεται πλησιάζοντας αυτήν των CD , χωρίς παρεμβολές και παράσιτα. Να σημειωθεί ότι η τεχνολογία αυτή σχεδιάστηκε εξ αρχης για να προσφέρει συνεχή ακρόαση στα αυτοκίνητα.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Πολυκάναλη εκπομπή ¨&lt;/u&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως αναφέρθηκε παραπάνω το HDFM μπορεί να εκπέμψει πολυκάναλα , σε βάρος όμως της ποιότητας του ήχου. ΟΙ πλέον απαιτητικοί ακροατές μπορούν να παραπονεθούν ότι οι προσθετές εκπομπές δημιουργούν ενοχλητικά κενά στον ηχο.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Έτσι ο οποιοσδήποτε σταθμός μπορεί εκτός από το κανονικό του πρόγραμμα που ακούγεται από το αναλογικό τμήμα και το πρώτο ψηφιακό κανάλι , να εκπέμψει και ένα δεύτερο μουσικό κανάλι πχ με jazz μουσική . Αυτό το κανάλι το ονομάζουν HD2.&lt;br /&gt;Μπορεί όμως να χρησιμοποιηθεί και τρίτο κανάλι!&lt;br /&gt;Οποιοσδήποτε σταθμός μπορεί να εκπέμψει πολυκαναλα πειραματικό ζητώντας την άδεια της FCC αλλα από την πρακτική φαίνεται να είναι μιαde facto κατάσταση&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η NPR (national public radio) είναι ενας από τους μεγαλύτερους υποστηρικτές του προγράμματος Με την επωνυμία Tomorrows Radio θα προσφέρει πολυκάναλο πρόγραμμα&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Surround sound  &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Καθώς τα περισσότερα ηχοσυστήματα προσφέρουν δυνατότητες surround sound σε 5.1 το HD–R είναι το πιο κατάλληλο για να προσφέρει αυτη την δυνατότητα.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Για την υλοποίηση αυτή υπάρχουν ήδη δυο τεχνολογίες. Η μια προέρχεται από την Fraunhofer τον σχεδιαστή των ΜΡ3 . Μέσα στο 2004 (?) ο οργανισμός παρουσίασε την δομή του surround . Πέρα από την στανταρ δομή του MP3 υπολογίζονται τα άλλα τρία κανάλια με βάση την διαφορά φάσης και διαχωρίζονται από ένα μηχανισμό matrix&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;H δεύτερη πρόταση προέρχεται από την εταιρια SRS ,που κατεβάζει την δειγματοληψία σε 80 kb ελευθερώνοντας 16 kbps για την ανάλυση και διαχωρισμό των σημάτων&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ψηφιακές υπηρεσίες &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Μερικές  από τις υπηρεσίες που μπορεί να προσφέρει το HDR είναι και οι υπηρεσίες  που προσφέρονται ήδη από το RDS .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Τι άλλο προστίθεται¨&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="" 40px=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Πληροφορίες κατά ζήτηση για χρηματιστήριο , ειδήσεις καιρο κτλ&lt;br /&gt;-Χάρτες ταξιδιών&lt;br /&gt;-εμπόριο μέσω κινητού τηλεφώνου&lt;br /&gt;- Διαφημίσεις κατά προτίμηση (στοιχεία από την ibiquity )&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Όλες οι παραπάνω πληροφορίες και άλλες που μπορούν να προστεθούν είναι καθορίζονται από το πρωτόκολλο υπηρεσιών AAS&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;ΟΙ υποστηρικτές του &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Πολλοί από τους ακροατές φαίνονται να είναι ιδιαιτέρα ευχαριστημένοι. Σε ένα άρθρο περιοδικού αναφέρεται: « στην μπαντα των AM προσφέρει καλύτερη ποιότητα ήχου ,βαθύτερο μπάσο , περισσότερα πρίμα και καλύτερο διαχωρισμό καναλιών.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Αλλά και τα Παράπονα &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Και σίγουρα δεν θα μπορούσαν να μην υπάρχουν παράπονα και πολλά μάλιστα .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Συνεχίζοντας το παραπάνω άρθρο ανάφερε ότι κάτω από δύσκολες συνθήκες ο σταθμός ακούγονταν με κενά , ενώ το ραδιόφωνο γύριζε στην αναλογική ακρόαση που σήμαινε την εμφανή διαφορά στην ποιότητα του ήχου. Σε όλες αυτές τις περιπτώσεις το δευτερεύον κανάλι HD2 δεν ακούγονταν&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Και σε άλλα άρθρα αναφέρονται πανόμοια παράπονα¨ Σε μια μεγάλη πόλη και λόγω του υψηλού θορύβου , πολλοί από τους σταθμούς ακούγονταν με δυσκολία καθώς ο δέκτης γύριζε λειτουργία σε FM και το δεύτερο κανάλι απλά δεν ακούγονταν !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Επίσης οι φίλοι της κλασσικής ραδιοφωνίας στα ΑΜ (DXers όπου ανήκω και εγώ) παραπονιούνται ότι το ψηφιακό σήμα (με το τριπλάσιο εύρος εν σχeσει με το εύρος των ΑΜ) δημιουργεί ‘θόρυβο’ σε χαμηλά σήματα σε γειτονικές συχνότητες από τους τοπικούς σταθμούς, παρεμποδίζοντας ετσι την λήψη κάποιων μακρινότερων σταθμών. Το ίδιο ακριβώς ισχύει και με την περίπτωση των DRM στην Ευρωπη&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Όπως όμως παρατηρήθηκε απο ακροατές με συνήθη ραδιόφωνα που ζούσαν σε απομακρυσμένες περιοχές χωρίς ‘βιομηχανικό’ θόρυβο , η ύπαρξη του ψηφιακού σήματος μέσα στο κανάλι ΑΜ δημιουργούσε ένα σχετικό θόρυβο&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Πολλοί φανατικοί οπαδοί των HIFi παρατήρησαν ότι η ποιότητα δεν ήταν η αναμενομένη σαν ποιότητα CD. Και είναι λογικο , καθώς η εκπομπή HD στηρίζεται &lt;u&gt;σε απωλεστική συμπίεση &lt;/u&gt;!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ενας ακομη dxer σε ένα άρθρο του για το μοντελο αυτοκινήτου JVCC KDSHX900 βρισκόταν σε απόσταση 30 μιλιών από τον τοπικό ραδιοσταθμό σημιωνε : η ληψη στα AM ηταν καλη με σταθερό σήμα , αλλά η λήψη σε HD ήταn μόνο η μισή εν σχέση με την λήψη που είχα σε ΑΜ ! &lt;i&gt;(σημ: άρα  χρειάζεται  4 πλασια ισχυ για να εχει σωστό HD σήμα ! )&lt;/i&gt;Οποιαδήποτε εξωτερική πηγή ακόμη και η μίζα γύριζε στην λήψη σε αναλογική ! Μετά το απόγευμα τα σήματα που έρχονταν από μακριά έκαναν άχρηστη την λήψη σε HD&lt;br /&gt;Προσπαθώντας να κάνω λήψη HD σε πιο μακρινούς σταθμούς και μετά από δοκιμή 3 και πλέον ωρών , ο πιο κοντινότερος σε απόσταση 150 μιλιων , το ψηφιακό του σήμα μπορούσε να ακουστεί για μόνο ένα λεπτό&lt;br /&gt;Και στα FM η κατάσταση δεν ήταν καλύτερη: Παρόλο που ταο σήμα ήταν καλο δεν μπόρεσα να ακούσω σε HD για παραπάνω από ένα λεπτό, μέχρι που κατάφερα να σταματήσω με κάποιο πιο κατάλληλο σημείο&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Επίσης υπήρχαν πολλά παράπονα από το CBC (καναδικό ραδιόφωνο ) και Καναδούς ραδιοερασιτέχνες λόγω ειδικά του μεγάλου φάσματος εκπομπής . Όπως χαρακτηριστικά ανάφεραν το IBOC μοιάζει περισσότερο με IBAC (in band adjacent channel ).Περισσότερα στοιχεία μποpουν να βρεθούν στο site [topazdesigns.com/iboc]&lt;i&gt;&lt;small&gt; McLarnon-Comments-Jun04.pdf &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Στο ιδιο site μπορούν να βρεθούν και πλήρεις προδιαγραφές του της Ibiquity για το IBOC /HD radio. Αυτές οι πληροφορίες αφαιρεθηκαν από την ιστοσελίδα της Ιbiquity το 2006&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Πιθανη αποτυχια του AM IBOC? &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Πολλοί τεχνικοί από ραδιοσταθμούς φαίνεται ότι δεν συμπαθούν το IBOC αλλά φοβούνται να το δηλώσουν με το φόβο μήπως απολυθούν από την δουλειά τους&lt;br /&gt;Πολλοί  του χώρου  πιστεύουν οτι  το HD Radio για τα ΑΜ  δεν φαίνεται νε έχει μέλλον , σε  αντίθεση με τα FM . &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η αλλαγή από την αναλογική ραδιοφωνία σε ψηφιακή αναμένεται να γινει θεωρητικά σε περίπου 5 χρόνια , πρακτικά ομως σε μερικές δεκαετίες…….&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Αρκετοί ραδιοακροατες πιστεύουν ότι το AM IBOC θα αποτύχει πιθανώς λόγω της μη αποδοχής από το κοινό η ακόμη λόγω του υψηλού κόστους ($100.000+ ) σε υποδομή . Αυτό πιθανώς θα αποτρέψει την μετάβαση των μικρών σταθμών στη νέα τεχνολογία , η θα αναγκαστούν να κλείσουν . Και AM IBOC σημάνει κυρίως σταθμους λόγου !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Σημειώστε  ότι  στις ΗΠΑ  σε αντίθεση με το υπόλοιπο  κόσμο οι ραδιοσταθμοί των  μεσαίων (AM) αυξάνονται!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Διαθεση –ραδιοφωνικοι σταθμοι &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Περίπου 600 σταθμοί δηλώσαν συμμετοχή το 2003 στο πρόγραμμα HD radio. Στις 5.6.6 περίπου 820 σταθμοί εξέπεμπαν σε hD , με δικάναλο πρόγραμμα , με σύνολο 2000 να είναι στην λίστα αναμονής . Η HD Radio Alliance , η ομάδα των μεγαλύτερων Ρ/Σ που εκπέμπουν σε HD , ζήτησε οι σταθμοί να εκπέμπουν και με δεύτερο κανάλι με μουσικό πρόγραμμα χωρίς διαφημίσεις για μια περίοδο τουλάχιστον 18 μήνες&lt;br /&gt;Στις 20.10.06 το νούμερο έφτασε στους  1000 ραδιοσταθμούς&lt;br /&gt;Το κόστος ενός συστήματος αγγίζει τα $100.000 επιπλέον το ετησιο πάγιο που πληρώνει στην Ibiquity ( συστήματα μετατροπής, πομποί και δεύτερες κεραίες )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η πλήρης  λίστα  σταθμών βρίσκεται στην σελίδα&lt;br /&gt;http://www.ibiquity.com/hd_radio/hdradio_find_a_station/SA  &amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η Λιστα περιλαμβάνει ¨όνομα σταθμού, συχνότητα είδος εκπομπής , κανάλι HD2 και HD3!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Λίστα σταθμών που εκπέμπουν και σε HD2 στα FM αναφέρεται στην σελίδα&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hdradio.com/hd_digital_radio_format_list.php&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Μι τρίτη λίστα με σταθμούς στα  ΑΜ : http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Στις 7.5.6  με βάση ερεύνα , οι προτιμήσεις του κοινού  ήταν 53%  εντνται 37% του IPOD&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hear2.com/2006/03/hd_radio_prefer.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Κατασκευαστές προιοντων &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η αρχική πρόταση ήταν  για την χρήση του το HDR τα  αυτοκίνητα.&lt;br /&gt;Η ΒΜW  ήταν  η πρώτη που πρόσφερε σαν επιλογή ραδιόφωνα HD   για την σειρά μοντέλων  5xx, 6xx και 7xx&lt;br /&gt;Μέχρι στιγμής  υπάρχουν  αρκετοί κατασκευαστές  δεκτών HD με τιμές   που αρχίζουν από $100 .&lt;br /&gt;Μοντέλα   αναφέρονται στην σελίδα:&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hdradio.com/hdradio_buyers_guide.php με αναφορά  σε πια μοντέλα έχουν διαθέσιμο δεύτερο κανάλι HD2 .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ενδιαφέρον  σε άλλα  κράτη &lt;/b&gt;¨&lt;br /&gt;Μέχρι στιγμής έδειξαν ενδιαφέρον σταθμοί από  Βραζιλία Ταϊλάνδη Νεα Ζηλανδια&lt;br /&gt;Στην Ταϊλάνδη ένα δημόσιο ραδιο-δίκτυο ενέκρινε την χρήση του HDR . Περισσότερο από 10000 ραδιόφωνα HD θα τοποθετηθούν σε λεοφωρεια&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Το βραζιλιάνικο δίκτυο Radio Globo πρόκειται να εγκαταστήσει μια σειρά πομπών υψηλής ισχύος στο Rio de Janeiro και στο Sao Paolo&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Δοκιμές έχουν γίνει επίσης¨&lt;br /&gt;Στην Lucerne Ελβετια   ο ραδιοφωνικός σταθμός radio sunshine έχει παραγγείλει και θα δοκιμάσει σχετικά σύντομα ένα πομπό HDR &lt;br /&gt;Ο ινδονησιακός σταθμός Radio Sangkakala έχει ξεκινήσει σειρά δοκιμών από τα Απριλιο 2006 στην μπάντα των MW με πολύ ‘θετικά’ αποτελέσματα σε υβριδική μορφή&lt;br /&gt;Στην Ν Ζηλανδια στις 19 Οκτ 2005 έγιναν α δοκιμαστικές εκπομπές από τον πύργο του Auckland στους 106.1 σε υβριδική μορφή . Ανεπίσημα στοιχεία μετρήσεων έδειξαν ότι με 2 x 370 watt καλύφθηκε περισσότερο από 60% του πληθυσμού&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Η εμπλοκή της RIAA&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Το θέμα εδώ έχει ενδιαφέρον , γι αυτό θα είμαι σχετικά πιο αναλυτικός Ένας σχολιαστής τεχνικού περιοδικού προβλέψε από τα μέσα 2003 για την πιθανή αργότερα εμπλοκή της RIAA στο ψηφιακό ραδιόφωνο&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;O φωνογραφικός οργανισμός RIAA (το αντίστοιχο της ΑΕΠΙ/ IFPI ) σε μια φρενήρη προσπάθεια να καταδιώξει το ‘έγκλημα’ της μουσικής πειρατείας, περίπου στο τέλος του 2005 ζήτησε από την ΝΑΒ (τον ομιλο ραδιοσταθμων) να κωδικοποιήσουν το (ηχητικό) περιεχόμενο πριν την εκπομπή * , Όπως χαρακτηριστικά ανάφερε ο Bainwool πρόεδρος της RIAA στο γράμμα του στην ΝΑΒ , ‘ο καθένας θα μπορούσε να κάνει ψηφιακή εγγραφή και με τις υπάρχουσες δυνατότητες να ξεχωρίσει τα τραγούδια (‘cherry pick” ) και να τα διανείμει μέσω internet σε όλο τον κόσμο χωρίς καθόλου να τ’ ακούσει’ (Σημ: αναρωτιέμαι αν κάτι τέτοιο ευσταθεί )&lt;br /&gt;Η Ibiquity με την σειρά  της δήλωσε ότι  αυτό  δεν μπορεί να γίνει εφικτό.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oi   απαιτήσεις της RIAA  σε καταναλωτικά προϊόντα όπως έχουν  θεσμοθετηθεί  το 2005 είναι:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Να αποτρέπονται  οι χρήσεις να σώζουν  ξεχωριστά κομμάτια η να φτιάχνουν λίστες (play lists ).  ¨&lt;br /&gt; Οι ψηφιακοί εγγραφείς να γράφουν σε τμήματα τουλάχιστον 30 λεπτών . όπως ανάφερε αυτή η κίνηση θα εμποδίσει τον διαχωρισμό των τμημάτων σε ξεχωριστά κομμάτια.&lt;br /&gt; Για ακόμη μεγαλύτερη προστασία η μορφή της εγγραφής να είναι ‘εγγενης’ της συσκευής εγγραφής έτσι ώστε να μην μεταφέρονται σε άλλες συσκευές όπως πχ Ipod, MP3 players η computers !!&lt;br /&gt; Τα χαρακτηριστικά του τραγουδιού [ID3tag/ metadata] θα πρέπει να περιορίζονται έτσι ώστε οι χρήστες να μην μπορούν να κάνουν καταλόγους από μόνο τους αγαπημένους τους καλλιτέχνες.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Κατά συνεπεία οι νόμοι αυτοί θα κάνουν τις ψηφιακές εγγραφές να μετατραπούν σε κλασσικά κασετόφωνα που χρησιμοποιούσαμε πριν από μερικές δεκαετίες! πηγη www.spectrum.ieee.org/print/3673 20051103-hd-radio-draft.pdf&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Σε απάντηση της πάνω επιστολής ο εκπρόσωπος ΤΗΣ ΝΑΒ ανέφερε ότι ‘ το ψηφιακό ραδιόφωνο εχει πολύ μικρή επίδραση στην πειρατια- Αναρωτιόμαστε κατά πόσο το νέο ψηφιακό ραδιόφωνο καταπατά τα μουσικά δικαιώματα η διευκολύνει την ανέλεγκτη εγγραφή. Πιστεύομε ότι όποιος πραγματικά θέλει να έχει ποιοτικές εγγραφές θα αναζητήσει είτε την αγορά cd είτε να αναζητήσει μουσική από άλλες πηγές όπως το internet . 011106_DKR_to_RIAA.pdf&lt;br /&gt;Και οι περισσοτεροι ραδιοσταθμοι ιενια γενικως αντιθθετοι στην ιδεα τηε σημανσης στο ψηφιακο ραιδοφωνο καθως αυξανει κατά πολύ το ηδη πολυσυνθετο προβλημα της ψηφιακης εκπομπης , καθως θα επιβραδυνει κατά πολύ την εεξελιξεις στην τεχνολογια&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Σημειώστε ότι στην Αγγλία η εφαρμογή του DAB δεν έχει δείξει φαινόμενα “πειρατείας”.Πολλοί παραπονιούνται ότι η αύξηση των προγραμμάτων μέσα από τα λίγα σχετικά κανάλια έχει χαμηλώσει αρκετά την ποιότητα ηχου. Στα μέσα Ιουνίου το BBC 3 κατέβασε την δειγματοληψία από 192kb σε 160kb εμφανίζοντας ‘τεχνουργήματα’ (Artifacts).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Public’s Right to Make Private Copies of Sound Recordings for Personal Use Must Be Taken Into Account&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Αντιπρότεινε όμως την εφαρμογή του broadcast flag (σήμανση εκπομπής ) η οποία καθορισμένη από τον ραδιοσταθμό αποτρέπει τις ραδιοφωνικές εγγραφές δηλ για συγκεκριμένο χρονικό διάστημα μα αποτρέψει πχ την εγγραφή μουσικής και μετά από το τέλος του προγράμματος να επιτρέψει την εγγραφή μιας συζήτησης [Levin.pdf] http://www.clearchannel.com/Corporate/Documents/Levin.pdf&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Η σήμανση εκπομπής τεχνικώς είναι μια σειρά data ενσωματωμένα στο stream του ψηφιακού σήματος. Έχει ήδη εφαρμοστεί στην ψηφιακή τηλεόραση από το 2005.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Διάφοροι καταναλωτικοί οργανισμοί διαμαρτυρηθήκαν έντονα, με ισχυρότερη την EFF να ζητά πίεση μέσω του Κογκρέσου την αποτροπή της εφαρμογής τέτοιων μέτρων. .&lt;br /&gt;Η RIAA στα μέσα Μάρτη 2006 ανακίνησε το θέμα με αποτέλεσμα στις 2 Μαρτίου 2006 να θεσπιστεί νόμος που απαγορεύει την κατασκευή και πώληση δεκτών χωρίς την ‘σήμανση εκπομπής’&lt;br /&gt;http://news.com.com/Congress+raises+broadcast+flag+for+audio/2100-1028_3-6045225.html&lt;br /&gt;Η ιστορία  αυτή συνεχίστηκε   στην  γερουσία κατά την διάρκεια του καλοκαιριού&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Τα συμπεράσματα δικά σας&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Στις 30.2.2006 ο γερουσιαστής Ferguson κατεθεσε ένα μνομοσχεδιο στο οποιο η FCC εχει αρμοδιοτητα να απαιτησει την απαγορευση της αταστκευης κασι πωλησης δεκτων χωρις την σημανση εκπομπης , χωρις να αχρηστοιποιει οσους εχουν ηδηπωληθει .οπω αναφεραι στο κειμενο προτεινει ομωε να προστατεψει την «ιστορικα σηνηθη δυνατοτητα εγγραφεης»&lt;br /&gt;Καποιες ιστοσελιοδες  αναφεροπν ότι  ο ferguson χηρτμαιστηκε με πανω από $10000&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Στις αρχες Μαιου ενας νεος νομος κατατεηθηκς στην Γερουσια δινοντας αρμοδιοτητα στην FCC να ενεργησει μια επιτροπη η οποια θα περιλαμβανει εκπροσωπους από ολους του φορεις με στόχο μεσα σε ένα χρονο να ανβαπτυξει την σχετικη τεχνολογία.Της δινειτα χρονικη επεκταση κατά 6 μηνες σε περιπτωση που δεν καταληξουν μεασα στο χρονικο διασημα&lt;br /&gt;O νομος αυτπος κατατεθηκε από τον Γερουσιαστη tedstevens&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Διαφορές καταναλωτικές οργανώσεις διαμαρτυρήθηκαν έντονα για την θέσπιση τέτοιων νόμων , αναφέροντας ότι η θέσπιση τεη σημανσης θα δημιουργήσει αβεβαιότητα στην αγορά. Ο πρόεδρος της CEAP Gary Shapiro ανέφερε ότι οι καταναλωτές θα υποχρεωθούν να πληρώσουν μεχρι και 4 φορές ακριβοτεα την τεχνολογία από ότι προηγουμένως&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Στις 22 Ιουνίου ο γερουσιαστης John Sununu εφερε μια τροποποοιηση κατά της σημανσης εκπομπης , η οποια ομως δεν εγινε δεκτη&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Και στις  1-7-2006 το εφετείο απέρριψε τον κυβερνητικό νομό που απαγόρεψε πολλής τηλεοπτικούς δεκτές&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Να σημειωθεί ότι και στην Ευρώπη ειχε από νωρίτερα σχεδιαστεί ένα αντισοιτχο σύστημα προστασιας με το ονομα DVB_CPT (copy protection technology )&lt;br /&gt;To σσυτημα αυτό εισχωρειακομη πιο βαθια &amp;gt; παρακατω αναφερονται γενικες πληροφοριες για την χρηση του DVBCPT στα media&lt;br /&gt;-CA – conditional acess ¨όπως με την δορυφορικη τηλεοραση , η δυνατοητα κρυπτογραφησης  καιελεγχου κατά συνθηκες&lt;br /&gt;- CP copy protection ¨προστασια από τις αντιγραφες&lt;br /&gt;- Digital watermarking ¨η εισαγωγη ορισμενων πληροφοριων μεσα στο ψηφιακο πριεχομενο&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: right; font-size: 8px;"&gt;Blogged with &lt;a href="http://www.flock.com/blogged-with-flock" title="Flock" target="_new"&gt;Flock&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-8030426644503479583?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/8030426644503479583/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=8030426644503479583&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/8030426644503479583'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/8030426644503479583'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/01/hdfm.html' title='HDFM το ψηφιακο ραδιοφωνο της Αμερικης'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-5900286706254122002</id><published>2008-01-06T13:38:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2008-01-06T14:05:01.102+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='radio'/><title type='text'>sources of QRN</title><content type='html'>&lt;!-- following code added by server. 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PLEASE REMOVE --&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;Notice:   this mesage has been uploaded  to my web page of geocities &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;font-size:180%;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;POWERLINE QRN&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-weight: bold;font-size:100%;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-family: lucida grande;"&gt;A big problem for the DXer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Since last year a very big problem encountered from a strong noise coming from the nearby powerline electricity towers of 22 kV . It first happened about start of June last year and continued until the middle of October. It again started early this May and it still continues this time ( July 2003) with a short pause on June 25 and 26 when it reappeared after a strong lightning YThe level relatively vanished on mid september and is more rare. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;For Last year ,as heard , the problem originates from the main transformer’s leakage &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;You can listen a sample of this &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/pwl.mp3"&gt;noise &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/pwl.mp3"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;  as it was before July and how it &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/pwl2.mp3"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;now is&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt; heard &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Depending of the band the noise level is a bit different. Here is a listing of the signal levels in tabular and graphical format &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;table border="1" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="1" width="710"&gt;    &lt;tbody&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;Freq MHz &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;Level &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;Att level &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td rowspan="23" valign="middle" width="545"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 442px; height: 239px;" src="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/pwr1.gif" alt="pwr1.gif (4232 bytes)" start="fileopen" /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;1.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;2.5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;0&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;4.5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;7.5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;9&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;9&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;3.5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;9&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;8.5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;10&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;11&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;12&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;14&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;15&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;16&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;0&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;17&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;18&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;19&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;20&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;21&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="28"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;22&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="36"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="32"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt;   &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;It is necessary here to describe the problem with pictures &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Before that , once again I must state that my antenna system consists of &lt;b&gt;one horizontal 16m wire and one shortcut dipole with down connection of 16m and inactive dipoles of 16 m &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p align="center"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;table border="0" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="0" width="640"&gt;    &lt;tbody&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td height="46" valign="top" width="48%"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 278px; height: 208px;" src="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/P8130002.jpg" alt="P8130002.jpg (7180 bytes)" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td height="46" valign="top" width="52%"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 278px; height: 208px;" src="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/P8130004.jpg" alt="P8130003.jpg (5861 bytes)" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="48%"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Here is the picture near to our building  . You can see how close are the powerline 110 kV towers . &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Not more than 60 m far &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="52%"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Here is the nearby wiring network from electricity and other sources. Not shown the telephonic spources . Quite complicated , huh ? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt;   &lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;In order to check if this really comes from the 22 kV electricity towers or from other local source I have travelled a bit to places around my point of ca 800 m far &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;Here are some results: &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;/span&gt; &lt;table border="0" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="0" width="612"&gt;    &lt;tbody&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="50%"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 285px; height: 213px;" src="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/P8130005.jpg" alt="P8130004.jpg (6128 bytes)" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="50%"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;img style="width: 283px; height: 212px;" src="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/P8130006.jpg" alt="P8130006.jpg (7185 bytes)" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="50%"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;THis is another view of the  dual powerlines of 110 kV . 200mm below this  poit the QRN sems to disappear. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;        &lt;td valign="top" width="50%"&gt;            &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;And here at a point 1 km far from the house and again under the powerlines . Here the noise level is quite high as in my house till the poit of the car  then the signal is cleared &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;              &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;. What is funny , the powerline noise disappears from less than 100 m. I think that ist comes due to little wiring … &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt;   &lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;For the moment , I m overcoming the noise only using the MFJ noise canceller MFJ 1025 that works with two antennas by phasing out the QRN. However in most cases the tuning and phasing is quite tricky as for just a few kHZ off-tune the noise appears again &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;As in mid september  the problem seems  to be a little less. Some times   it seems big some times  less. According to a telcons professor    this may come from the insulators of the  high electricity towers . Moisture and dust  can effect on the quality of the insulators  producing sparks between them and the high voltage wires. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Last may (2003) I made a call to the national Electricity company &lt;strong&gt;DEI&lt;/strong&gt; for this noise problem . The officer in charge insisted that I was the first claiming about it, and supposes it is a local transformer problem or due to possible overload from electrical appliances. (but still exists though we are in cold weather and rain for today ) It is expected powerline communications (also known as BPL) to start in late end this year by &lt;strong&gt;DEI&lt;/strong&gt; s daughter company &lt;strong&gt;Tellas&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;hr style="height: 3px; width: 100%;"&gt; &lt;p style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;UPDATE  A2006  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;As of 2006 the noise  was audible only on trhe MW band 500 ca 2000 kHZ band  wioth S9  across it  The most peculiar of it , the nose was off for several hours in the morning , enabling me foe weeekends  to listen to MW &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"&gt;    &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:130%;" &gt;UPDATE 2 - ADSL supposed add-on 11/2006 but !!! .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The recent days (start of November 2006) I have made a request for ADSL line . though I have  not been informed by anyone  , i found the DX diference. Tjhere was just little QRN across  the bands.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;However the same days  there was another noise added in our area from unknown source The shape levels are determined by a level of S9 on the 2-4 MHz lowering to about 6 mHz , being below S0 for the 6-10 mHz or S3 with 10 db preampplifier and then  somehow raised  from above the 16 mHz by a  nearly constant level of S2-3 on the 17-24 mHz . That happens onthe 2x 16 m antenna &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The most peculair is gthat the noise is starting from 1630-1730  LT !!! and contiinues at least till 0130 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Using the 16 m horizontal antenna  there is a nearly constant level of S2-4 across most bands. on MW the noise is S10 in in ocntrast to S9 of V antenna , and a a harsh audio  above the 10 mHz . This   caused me an increase of tinnitus however...  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Tahoma;font-size:85%;"  &gt;IN practive it can mean a relatively low rate of quite harsh  noise. In most cases it does not offer big amountrs of nose , but in the lowers bands this noise is absolutely killing radio listening &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"&gt; &lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;OTHER SOURCES OF QRN OBSERVED &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;   &lt;p  style="font-family:Tahoma;"&gt;&lt;small&gt;Several other sources i found so far include: &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;ul  style="font-family:Tahoma;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;satelitte TV receivers &lt;/span&gt;, and  most particularly &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;hard disks&lt;/span&gt; on sat antennas. I own a Dreambox receiver which in very short time i built-in a hard disk.With the hard disk a rasor sounded  noise is heard with up to S3 on the 2x16 m antenna &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Fluorescent lamps&lt;/span&gt;: They add a huge amount of noises , usually S 5-7 . This is the reason , though my older work,  that i completey removed them from  house. &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;TV set&lt;/span&gt; :  again i hnave observed very low levels. Most susceptible band comes the 10-11MHz band  &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;   &lt;p face="Tahoma"&gt;&lt;small&gt;And one supposedly  adding a lot of noise  but was in the reverse: &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;ul  style="font-family:Tahoma;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Computer&lt;/span&gt;: believe itor not  my 3 GHZ computer , with TFT 17",  scanner , optical mouse , laser printer  etc , did not produce any harsh noises &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;small&gt;The 17' tft monitor is above the radio and produe very low levels of noise  that can annoy only if i have to listen to  very poor signals (below S2 with preamp!!!)  in the MW and 10-11 MHZ bands&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;small&gt;Printer  adds  some noise only when printing occurs &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;small&gt;The horizontal antenna is more susceptible to any noises  generated from any type of sources . BY shutting off computer a white noise generated  in the 16- 20 MHZ band  is stopped , leveled S2 only&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;   &lt;p face="Tahoma"&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;small&gt; &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p  style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Tahoma;"&gt;If someone has any idea how to overcome this noise &lt;/span&gt;, without using the MFJ canceller, please let me know at &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=249827&amp;amp;id=770974854" title=""&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://photos-854.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v164/41/59/770974854/n770974854_249827_9843.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;!-- text below generated by server. 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This is what we call in Greece , ‘we and the walls‘. Waiting to take my parents from the house , located nearby, (ca 1 km far from my work place) I asked my father who was outside , what they could do. He &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;advised me to leave and return my home , as I did . My wife was waiting for me there. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;Last year’s eve we both were not at work &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the other site , I already knew&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;that&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;nothing would be done on the night with the festical. Instead of it , the&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;festival started from the noon of 31.12&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;till ca 20 Local times , as the&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;bars and music halls requested it (as an unrelated person told me , do &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;they lose their customers? I don’t believe it …&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;)&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the house ,after preparing the necessary things for the night , I was DXing at fist Cuba and tried to listen to Venezuela via Cuba . the program from Cuba seemed quite interesting but Venezuela could not be heard &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;Prior to this , the previous day , I have collected material from the Hard Core DX mailing list , the last dx window and the Kanto DX group and printed in my favorite booklet format&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and on the free time in the office I have marked her most interesting logs to check for myself &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;Again the pirate station on 6878 was back in the freq and also heard a bit &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;Looking for the possible program from NHK &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;as I did last year , on 9750 on 1500 and afterwards I have heard the voice of Islam from Malaysia with Islamic preaches that time . It passed the TOH with time clock and news , and later has been heard with a short overview of 2007 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;Doing this , I lost &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;watching the JSTV satellite TV program. Instead I turned on the sat system on 1556 (ie my Dreambox sat receiver ) and tuned into the CCTV4 from China on the Hotbird satellite with an always spectacular music program that was in parallel to CCTV9 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;Sometime afterwards my parents have been arrived at our home. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;This year , as before, the program consisted with pop and folklore songs from china but there was also a singer with a bamar song . It ended however on ca 1610 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;Doing this I also missed the opportunity to listen to a Chinese radio station with its usual gongs at the year change and the talks by someone a little later …..&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;At 1700 I watched the year change in Thailand leaving Korea ‘s Arirang out. N contrast to last year’s canned program , the thai program aired from the central park the live show in a ‘sea audience ‘ consisting of more than 100000 people , with many fireworks after the top of hour &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;At ca 1900 I changed to the Kazakh channel Kaspionet which was again my favorite program for that day and left it there , while most time , the there families , us, my parents and my wife parents were together expecting the new year on the parents-in-law house that s located over ours . &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;I was again impressed with their (kaspionet ) program : in few words , the program I watched as 19-20 with a concert with a possibly Kazakh diva aged about 45 years (did not found her name ) but program was possibly quite old as the style of the songs was quite old . At 20-2030 there were pop songs i in Russian , 2045- 2100 from a children concert with mostly classic music /operas and on 2200 a mix-up of pops and folks in Kazakh and Russian language &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;ON 2000 we changed the program to AZ TV and Lider both from Azerbaican. I was a bit impressed with AZTV’s year change&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;with the fireworks of more than 15 minutes duration and more than 100000 people attending on a big square under a big tree of ca 20-25 meters full of lamps. The on off lamps by the current formed a ring the gone upwards /downwards and then formed vertical lines turned rightwards or leftwards having the tree’s top as its main centre. The Music program was canned with only beats &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;LIder on the other site played old western pop songs from video clips. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;At 2100 I saw together with my father the year change in Russia and Turkey. Prvvi program from Russia had a mixed up program with songs and mini sketches. before and after the time change . Turkey on the other side had semi traditional or folk songs.&lt;br /&gt;We looked on the Russian program for the year change. As in the previous year the cameras were hooting on the big clock on the Kremlin that reached the time then a the national anthem was played showing the exceptional buildings of Kremlin .After the anthem ended the program was retuned to its mix-up with again pop songs etc . My father was a little &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;disappointed expecting to listen to more folkloric styles &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I again changes the channel to Kaspionet and little after we gone not the apartment of my in laws. At some time I received a call from a friend wishing us the best , and immediately &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;called another friend for meeting him &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;after the year change. He welcomes my idea indeed and was awaiting for our next telephone call &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_GH79MCHI/AAAAAAAAAD4/hJQeoJH1lkY/s1600-h/zz01.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_GH79MCHI/AAAAAAAAAD4/hJQeoJH1lkY/s320/zz01.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5152054338390853746" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;On the above  picture the left pie is the  pie made by my wife  the right by my mom in law &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;ON 2200&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;there was&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;the time change .Instead of watching the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;change in the television, hat was tune to the Ant1 TV ,and its program Deal (betting&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;for up to €300000 ) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;we heard fire cracks&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;from outside the house. Living at a very high point , with visibility up to 40 km there were more than 15 points with fireworks.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;As&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;per the ethic , we exchanged kisses and greetings&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and he father in law opened&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;a champagne that was shared to all of us – 8 persons . &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_G5r9MCJI/AAAAAAAAAEI/1eUzYZlXv4I/s1600-h/zz20.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_G5r9MCJI/AAAAAAAAAEI/1eUzYZlXv4I/s320/zz20.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5152055193089345682" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;span style="font-family: times new roman;font-size:85%;" &gt;the time we exchanged greetings and  cheerios&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;Then&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;we cut the Vasilopita (new year’s cake ) that was shared among all of us. Again my father in law&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;together with the&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;cooperation of his wife&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;cut the cake and then shared&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;it &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_HEL9MCKI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/zd2n4nByBHM/s1600-h/zz30.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_HEL9MCKI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/zd2n4nByBHM/s320/zz30.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5152055373477972130" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_HM79MCLI/AAAAAAAAAEY/yE6X9-bQsNI/s1600-h/zz33.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_HM79MCLI/AAAAAAAAAEY/yE6X9-bQsNI/s320/zz33.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5152055523801827506" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;AS per custom&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;in &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;one of these pieces&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;there was a coin that&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;symbolizes the&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;lucky person. This&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;year my wife has won it.In the picture below you see the coins inside the pie   &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_HaL9MCMI/AAAAAAAAAEg/4ITRZsXaFhs/s1600-h/zz39.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_HaL9MCMI/AAAAAAAAAEg/4ITRZsXaFhs/s320/zz39.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5152055751435094210" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;The time&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;has passed&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;2230&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and then&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I was&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;to call he friend&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;for the meting . But he was sleeping. Sad&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;but also lucky , as we both&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the same time were on a little bad health – with cough and catarrh. Though my wife&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;was on the hurry to get out ,&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;we finally&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;did not gone out . Instead&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I watched&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;a&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;little&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;bit more&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;year change , this&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;time from&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Italy and&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Germany , by tuning to&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;RAI 1 and ZDF.ZDF&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;was a bit more interesting from &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the live program of RAI showing again fireworks. RAI instead had a live show. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;……..time passes ………&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;On noon 1.1.18 &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;and &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the table is&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;nearly ready for the celebrating the &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;new year and&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;also my&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;mother in law ‘s name (Vasiliki ) &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;On he table is now &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the Vasilopita (= meat pie, verbatim the pie of Vasilis / Bill ) made thoroughly &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;by my mother with meat from meat &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;from&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Litohoron. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;He The pie has been&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;cut&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;by my father , the &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;oldest person of all families together. I also swithed on the satellite system, to&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;look into the&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Vienna philharmonic&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;via the ZDF , Germany&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;but as the time was a bit later we listened to the &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the end of the program&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_Hir9MCNI/AAAAAAAAAEo/TqGzxaD7y5A/s1600-h/zz57.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_Hir9MCNI/AAAAAAAAAEo/TqGzxaD7y5A/s320/zz57.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5152055897463982290" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;All families &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;on the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;table !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;The &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;pie had also a&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;coin which I &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;awarded. It is on the right cornet of the  plate  inside  a metal foil &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_Hq79MCOI/AAAAAAAAAEw/SlyW61P68Aw/s1600-h/zz59.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R3_Hq79MCOI/AAAAAAAAAEw/SlyW61P68Aw/s320/zz59.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5152056039197903074" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;And that is the story of that day … &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;"  lang="EN-US" &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; 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 &lt;/span&gt;is my full radio log list &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the previous days 31/1&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;to 4.1 &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;based on material cached from DX Window , HCDX mailing list , Iwata Gaku and VT communications listing , including radio scanning .  Separate&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;, by day logs are already been posted on &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/127"&gt;http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/127&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;128 and 129 with some exceptional &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;logs separately &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;(as &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="subject"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/125/Radio_svitle_Emmanuel_"&gt;Radio Svitle /Emmanuel &lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;and &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/126"&gt;R Largoz&lt;/a&gt; fr the moment )&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;This is&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;one time only&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and will be &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;remade only in cases of exceptional &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;cases as&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;in this ‘DXpedition’.&lt;br /&gt;This time  it was my period of 'vacations'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Notices: cland &gt; country&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt; means towards  that country&lt;br /&gt;[non] means not originated from that country,but brokered&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Algeria [non] 9455 2018 presume Algeria , talks by OM , an acapella song . OM about Quran , man preaching over drum play . Quran till 2042, many talks after. Signal mixed with Firedrake and a Chinese lang station but Algeria(p) tapped them at 95% per reception time&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Liangas presume 1.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Algeria non 9455 RTAlgeria 19++ //11815 with Islamic prg . signal is S9+20 but partially QRMed by a PP station a. ON 11815 the signal is so poor that RBC Brazil on its S7 signal can easily cover it. Also 5110//9850 on 2110 with signals S10/S3 respectively Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;AUSTRALIA 9475 RA 1515+ discussions /phone ins 1517 with songs S3 best on LSB Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;BAHRAIN 9744.6 Bahrain 1443 with marginal signal and Arabic songs Man mentioning something as "al ustebed kel arabia' then back to Arabic songs Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;BELGIUM 9970 RTBF with song "Hallo Papa Tango Charlie" in a pop remix format and French lyrics . Signal S10 This song makes me very nice memories!..... Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;BYELORUSSIA 7235&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;BLR&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;at 0855 with a guitar play , 0857 a song from Space I think 'Magic fly' 0858 OM ".... reklama"0900 news by YL till 0905? 0907 with pop song by YL 0910+ talks and discussions by two at least YL Signal here is S4 max 35433 Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;CHINA 6130 Xizang 1404 with 'Chinese' songs (seem as Chinese!! ) with talks in TB. Japan song on 1420 S7 33433 //7385 also good Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;China 7185 Firedrake mixed with R Taiwan Intl as per EiBI listing marginal for both at that time .. Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;CHINA 9890 //4800 XJPBS in Uighur with S6 max ob 1507 35423 Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;CHINA 9930 Firedrake jammer on 1439 against possibly a N Korean cland . DO Chinese cooperate with N Korea? Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;CHINA? 12055 XJPBS (?) talks in Kazakh on 09++ , Chinese on 1010 . S7 on 2x16 m Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland &gt; ETH (VT)12015 R Meselna Delina 1828 with a hilife song stopped on 182920 and IDing as WHRI . At 182955 with prog in Arabic abt reading the testament . returning back on 1839 heard WHRI in English !!! signal S9 34333 Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;cland &gt; korea (via TWN) 9795 CMI /V Wilderness 2009 heard OM in Korean lang. Marginal signal Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;cland &gt; Korea 5965 Shiokaze 2244 hear with JJ talks signal S4 better in LSB to avoid ute QRM Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;cland &gt; korean (via TWN ) 9645 F NKOREA 2012&amp;amp; 2033 CRI? . On 2040 QRMed by Bandeirantes Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland &gt; Turkey 7540 Mesopotamia 1946 OM with talks . several mentions on Kurd on 1948 , irtan , turke , under a discussion /interview that passed 2000. Prior to 1930 there was nothing or 7545 was so strong that neither&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;a carrier could be detected...Fair signal Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland &gt;IRAQ? &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;6335 V Iraqi Kurdistan 1244 with talks by OM + YL in not so clear Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;cland &gt;Korea (via Russia) 7510 FNKR 2000 with talks in Korean by OM and YL over instrumental music . mentioning yongyiyul on 2004 . A koran pop song on ca2030 'love you' Signal S9 Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland &gt;N KOR 9820 Nihon no kaze 1711 heard with marginal signal , just above the noise floor , with talks in Korean , S0 or S2 with preamp on Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland &gt;Sudan via &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;RUSS 9840 Sudan R S 1604 YL with talks in a language mixed of Arabic and locals mentioning US aid, BBC Darfur. A report in VN on 1609 , 1612 mixed with song . Max S9 min S7 44434 Then 1703 in Shiluk language using transmitter from UAE and quite fading signal with maximum level S5 and SINPO 34232 . re-tested on 1733 but WHRI is on the freq &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland &gt;TUR 11530 V Mesopotamia 1120 YL with short news or comments and short musical breaks in between. Music on 1122 25232 S4 max Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland SVK &gt;ETH? &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;9825 Miraya FM 1606 with OM IDig 'r miraya' in Arabic . many talks after , 33423 max S5 . ON 1630 nearly no signal!! Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland via VT &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;4880 /7125 SWR Africa on 1717 with hilife songs. 4880 was nearly clar all the time except 1930+ (from Mossad in its USB) while 7125 was all time covered by possibly R Vatican in Turkish on 17+ Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland? S AFRICA &gt;?? 11890 Okapi 1612 talks by YL in French . political news about a minister of foreign relation , a delegation , kannanga kampala , IDing R Okapi , Congo Kenya etc signal level S9+20!! and same level on 1641 with ID and talks in VN Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland&gt; N KOR &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;9730 supposed FN Korea 1003+ , heard YL talking on Korean ,discussions on 1025 . signal however is marginal at its maximum Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Cland&gt;N KOR&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;9940 V Wilderness 1304 is not RXed due to IRIB with S6 Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;CUBA 11999.96 RHC 1230 OM with political / diplomatic talks in SS, many mentions on Cuba and reports . Co ch QRM with carrier on +200 HZ . better on LSB to avoid a bit of QRM S3-4 22432 Also 3.1 wth S5, 32x32 best SSB qrmed by carrier with news in spanish. ON 1400 heard ID and 'ora de Cuba' Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;DJIBOUTI 4780 RTV Djibouti music and YL talking in AR S5 Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;EGYPT 9250 R nile on 1845 with Sudan type Arabic songs , ID as Idaatu Nil .. min al Kahira' @184750 then YL into talking. tested to listen to //1106 but covered by a Serbian station signal S9 45544 Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;ETH 9559.12 R Ethiopia ? at 1615 with folk music . at 1636 with talks (news? ) in english ith 1638 a short music interval . carrier seems QSYing : on 1649 carrier was on 9558.98 . Signal is poor at S3 having terrible QRM from 9565 VoA Swahili(?)Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;GABON 4777 Radio Gabon S7 talks in FF 4x434 Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;GREECE 6230 Era Sport 105.8 spur or mid-product , with ID and sports talks on 1355 . S5 33443 Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;KOREA 6250 //6398 heard as early as 1328 with signal S2 with operas Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;LIBYA 17725 LIBYA in Swahili on 1200 with talks by several men IDing on 1206 and providing emails and webs as info@voiceofarfica.com.ly www.voiceofarfica.com.ly New ID as "Sawti Africa " S4 , 35333 Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Lithuania &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;6255 mighty KBC (?) was on 2158 with self adverts and pop music and but program on 2201 was religious, with someone asking money to send to the recipients a book. back on 2228 with the correct program of KBC Signal S9&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;amd slight QRM from 6250 (Iran?) Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;MAURITANIE 4845 0500 talks in Arabic , 'iD huna mauritania" etc country mentions S7 35243 QRN lightings Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;MEXICO 9599.36 UNAM 2210 surprised to find this station here. with only classical music at all the program I listened till 2233. Marginal signal with peaks very 2 seconds gradually increased to a S14321 level for 2230 . Better in AM Narrow to decrease somehow the local QRN. Rechecked on 0130/5.1 but there was a Arabic station Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;M'SIA 7295 TRaxx FM 1525 with pop songs S3 in a clear freq Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;M'SIA 9750 V of Islam 1459 OM with quranic preaches , with slight QRM from NHK-JP . At TOH with clock sound hen YK in ML with news . 24232.ON 1538 YL reviewing a calendar of 2007. Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Number /spy station 5898 Spanish , with 5fgs at 0817 S6 35343 Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;OMAN? 15140 R Oman with news in English on 1430 . News abt Bulgaria , Ukraine. Pop sog on 1438 S5 over much QRM coning from 15130 (S30!! ) signal passed 1545 with songs Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;PHILS? &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;11510 OM in a Pilipino styled language (WYFR /Tagalog per Eibi /Kazakhstan )on 1111 with religious talks , mentions on spiritus , santo , Pablo etc Singal S7 max , 34232 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;PHILS??? 11705 VOA Phils ?? 1220 talks by OM in American accented EG. Marginal signal . when trying to listen RN venezuela via Cuba Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Pirate ITALY ? 6880 power FM relayer , with pop songs, singed off 1425 and QSYed to 6878 Marginal Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Pirate 6270 R 'Eastfort ' 0510 with song of Queen (mama mia ) max S7 24242 , 0031645..26..0 ID in NL and EG mentioning also 6240 .Slow fading Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;PMR 7370 R PMR 1715 ID by YL providing news . quite difficult reception due to Firedrake 's strong signal S20 , over PMR's S3 even using USB . On 1832 in german with max S9 while firedrake left out.44534 but low quality audio Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;RUSSIA/Tatarstan 11915 trying to listen to Tatarstan Awazy , there was a carrier QRMed with china's CNR1?? at S2ON 0930 with S10 in Tatar followed by a Tatar song Discussions on 0938 .45434. Lang seems as Kazakh . Also S9 on 5.1.8 with a poem type by YL Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Rwanda 6055 R Rwanda 2105 with pop / hilife songs . recheck on 2130 QRM by Romania and 2210 Nikkei (per aoki ) was on the freq. Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;SERBIA 7240 V of Serbia 1300 afer IS , YL in Serbian with ID and news S10 , 43443 Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;SKN (?)9805 HCJB 1722 OM with many mentions on Yisus, svobodnye, hlyudi and later with traditional style (religious? ) songs signal S10 44544 with DRM under Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;spur 6295 , talks in Turkish , imam on 0508 Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;SRI LANKA 11750 SLBC 1618 Tamil / Sinhala songs. At phone-in on 1625 hen mostly wirth songs S9 ON 1645 s strong buzzer destroyed reception Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;SRI LANKA 11905 SLBC 1455 with old Hindi songs S2 and 25132 .Presume on 3.1 with Tamil on 1030 with Hindi and Tamil songs with S5 and 32432 Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;TANZANIA 11735 R Tanzania Zanzibar 1855 with Arabic type songs lead by drums with something toad as 'al islar' YL talking about Islam then IDing as R Tanzania Zanzibar , 185710 quranic preaches by a priest and child followers !!. ID on 185930 . good signal Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;UAE &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&gt;AFG 9875 Solh 1503 mixed with DRM. ID at 150504 Solh's signal at S10-20 covered the DR&lt;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;UAE &gt;AFG 15265 Solh 1413 with Bolly &amp;amp;pop Hindi song Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;UAE 9590 TWR (p) 1808 in Amharic with talks by OM and possibly hte with psalm S7-9 34323 Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;USA? 6225 Family radio 1428? open brums , advert on bible resources . ID as family radio and giving address.ON 3.1 and 1406 again best on LSB due to digital stream on 6226 S7 Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;USA? 6915 Family radio 0519 relig talks S8 45544 Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;USA? 9840 WHRI 1733 adn 1752 IDing as R Caroline with nice pop and rock songs, providing on 1752 adress , phone ..10110.. . ID as WHRI on 1759 then YL welcoming to the program Better on LSB Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;UZBEKISTAN 7365 FEBA 1409 talks by OM in Urdu - per DXLD - ,on a song man starting in ENg then in urdu- S5 max 33433 Liangas 3.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;VATICAN 9310 Vatican radio 1509 after IS with prg in IND with Laudetur J C , mangeshkar, sitar play etc . S3-4 24332 Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Vietnam non (via RU)5955 V o Vietnam 1801 with prg in English , mentioning about Vietnam, an their politics and contributions to Kosovo and Darfur. Little QRM from 5960 possibly TRT turkey. Signal S20 Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;YEMEN 6135 Republic of Yemen Radio 1407 with Arabic songs . 1408 with immediate quranic verses discussion between OM/YL (a theatrical way ) over instrumental music, 141350 back to quranic sermons S9 45544 , Liangas 31.12.07 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;ZAMBIA 13650 CVC Makeni 1653 with pp songs , YL with ID ctc.tv address in India then with R&amp;amp;B Song . S5-7 35333 Liangas 4.1.8 Thessaloniki Greece&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;Quite big listing , huh?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="margin-top: 6pt;font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="verdana" style="margin-top: 6pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="font-size:9;"&gt;I tried to be as accurate as possible , but&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;in case there are any errors &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;please let me know .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-9167378236592129933?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/9167378236592129933/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=9167378236592129933&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/9167378236592129933'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/9167378236592129933'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/01/logs-made-on-3117-to-418.html' title='Logs made on 31.1.7 to 4.1.8'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-6289634014101941018</id><published>2008-01-04T15:04:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2008-01-05T14:52:23.314+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='profile'/><title type='text'>A short description  of myself  today</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: georgia;font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Many of you already know that I am a DXer , i.e. radio listener specialized for more difficult  receptions. Several of you possibly  read my Geocities  &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/radio1.htm"&gt;page &lt;/a&gt;concerning my history  in telecoms.If not please visit that page&lt;br /&gt;Here i will  try in very short  to describe my todays 'non-business'  activities &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ul  style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Being as &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;photo reporter&lt;/span&gt;. MY mother was processing photos on 60s on the family photo service /store on Katerini , 60 km D of Thessaloniki.&lt;br /&gt;I am doing s&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;emiofficial photo reporting&lt;/span&gt;  for the Odeum of Litohoron , in which my parents are members. LItohoron  is also  father's birth place.&lt;br /&gt;I have bought on 2002 a Olympus C220 2 MP  camera .Last year I have bought a Nikon D50 camera  that later has been upgraded  with a Tamron  55-200  lens which  recently has been replaced with a Tamron 18-200 lens&lt;br /&gt;The Olympus C220  is for everyday use  but recently  has been damaged a bit as the  battery lid has been broken&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Doing 'DX' :  finding a open time window on ca0500 UTC  to ca 0520 and after  1300 UTC&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Doing &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;news  sharing&lt;/span&gt;. There are three groups  i share news, two of them are  for radio  and technology , that include a bunch of about 13 RSS  sources&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;and doing  blogging .... The material collected from the above two first  items are  uploaded to  my sites&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;p style="text-align: right; font-size: 8px; font-family: times new roman;"&gt;Blogged with &lt;a href="http://www.flock.com/blogged-with-flock" title="Flock" target="_new"&gt;Flock&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-6289634014101941018?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/6289634014101941018/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=6289634014101941018&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/6289634014101941018'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/6289634014101941018'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/01/short-description-of-myself-today.html' title='A short description  of myself  today'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-2249208991061768649</id><published>2008-01-04T15:03:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2008-01-04T15:03:25.337+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='webprofile'/><title type='text'>My other  web pages</title><content type='html'>AS you possibly know&amp;nbsp; i own several other web&amp;nbsp; pages . This page will cover with a short reference&amp;nbsp; all my other public web pages .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas%20"&gt;http://www.geocities.com/zliangas  &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; This is my oldest page&amp;nbsp; and totally inactive today started on 96 . Many articles about my story, personal interests,&amp;nbsp; radio, radio pirates database , trips across Greece with radio receptions and and several gadget reviews &amp;nbsp; and some Greek ethics pages &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; A complete listing is shown on &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/main_index.htm"&gt;http://www.geocities.com/zliangas/main_index.htm&lt;/a&gt; (the left pane of the framed main window acts also as site map&amp;nbsp; )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. &lt;a href="http://www.worldisround.com/articles/302315/%20"&gt;http://www.worldisround.com/articles/302315/ &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; This is a mini travel photo page for Litohoron . It is about 50 photos and needs a bit of update &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. &lt;a href="http://www.worldisround.com/articles/321199"&gt;http://www.worldisround.com/articles/321199&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; this is a travel photo page&amp;nbsp; for Tinos, an island&amp;nbsp; very famous&amp;nbsp; for its Church&amp;nbsp; of Madonna &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr"&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachgr&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; This is my&amp;nbsp; secondary today&amp;nbsp; photo page . Short updates just for keeping it as image repository for&amp;nbsp; my blogging system. Originally made for commentaries in between the Nikon D70 mailing list/ users&amp;nbsp; group on mid 2007&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. &lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770974854"&gt;http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770974854&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; And&amp;nbsp; this is just a profile page with my interests&amp;nbsp; including&amp;nbsp; some of my work fellows and a bit of communications . Irregularly used.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;http://zlgr.multiply.com&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is&amp;nbsp; my main blog page set up on Oct 2006 and mainly used nearly every day . The facilities&amp;nbsp; of Multiply separate the blog into&amp;nbsp; main &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal"&gt;blog &lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/photos"&gt;pictures&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/video"&gt;videos &lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/music"&gt;music &lt;/a&gt;c&lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/calendar"&gt;alendar&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/reviews"&gt;reviews&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; and &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/links"&gt;links &lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ON the blog  I have kept all my radio logs, including&amp;nbsp; audio clips&amp;nbsp; publicly downloadable and&amp;nbsp; a report for &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/37"&gt;Sansa &lt;/a&gt;E130 , and &lt;a href="http://zlgr.multiply.com/journal/item/41"&gt;MP3 /WMA codec comparison&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; in a pdf version &lt;br /&gt;The picture part covers pictures from LItohoron including shows i cover pictorially&amp;nbsp; for a&amp;nbsp; local newspaper , some&amp;nbsp; trips inside Greece and ethics&lt;br /&gt;The music part covered some radio clips until Multiply&amp;nbsp; blocked 'non authorized'&amp;nbsp; downloads and several&amp;nbsp; clips&amp;nbsp; from&amp;nbsp; Malay music under identification (ie who is the singer or the title ). . Malays&amp;nbsp; there is my biggest network&lt;br /&gt;The reviews part&amp;nbsp; covers&amp;nbsp; reviews&amp;nbsp; for&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; electronic products&amp;nbsp; i own. Part of my salary&amp;nbsp; each month goes there &lt;br /&gt;And the links part is for links with he ability&amp;nbsp; to comment&amp;nbsp; each link.&lt;br /&gt;There is nothing public on videos&amp;nbsp; for the moment &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;   &lt;p style="text-align: right; font-size: 8px"&gt;Blogged with &lt;a href="http://www.flock.com/blogged-with-flock" title="Flock" target="_new"&gt;Flock&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-2249208991061768649?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/2249208991061768649/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=2249208991061768649&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/2249208991061768649'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/2249208991061768649'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/01/my-other-web-pages.html' title='My other  web pages'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4268331733750535842.post-6848559141905958289</id><published>2008-01-04T15:02:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2008-01-04T15:02:51.635+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='page aim'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Zacharias'/><title type='text'>The reason to use Blogger</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;    Hello to&amp;nbsp; all &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;As you will see i an m using a new&amp;nbsp; service&amp;nbsp; from the start of January 2008 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Someone&amp;nbsp; knowing me will ask , &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Ohh why another blogger? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;The reason is quite simple , that you possibly do not know: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana;" /&gt;&lt;ol style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am using&amp;nbsp; Google services at least two years&amp;nbsp; ago. I use it for the RSS&amp;nbsp; reader as well as&amp;nbsp; for&amp;nbsp; making searches , but &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not &lt;/span&gt;for email , as i am using&amp;nbsp; my main off line mailer Pegasus . I think that integrating a litle more , will be slightly&amp;nbsp; better&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;My aim is to use it as&amp;nbsp; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;secondary blogging&lt;/span&gt; system , transferring&amp;nbsp; my older postings from Geocities and&amp;nbsp; Multiply&amp;nbsp; into a more interactive web pageie with feedback from you . AS you will see , i already have uploaded&amp;nbsp; the SINPO page from Geocities. The Geocities&amp;nbsp; site is just an&amp;nbsp; old kind of web pages&amp;nbsp; that does not offer any feedback.Neither Multiply offers , though web 2 type site, the ability&amp;nbsp; for non members to post any feedback , unless they set up an account &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;And possibly a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;more audience&lt;/span&gt; regarding&amp;nbsp; to Multiply&amp;nbsp; site. As for the&amp;nbsp; moment  my&amp;nbsp; network&amp;nbsp; there&amp;nbsp; is quite&amp;nbsp; short&amp;nbsp; of,&amp;nbsp; with just 6 persons from the radio&amp;nbsp; field and more than 100 persosn from the Malaysian&amp;nbsp; network&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Radio subjects&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; as well &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;gadgets i own&lt;/span&gt; will be reviewed here, and will &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;"&gt;be the&amp;nbsp; primary&amp;nbsp; blogging and aim&lt;/span&gt; for this page . There will be also &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;links&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;related to other activities I do in Multiply , including photo reports &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;This is my aim for the moment . Possibly there will be several postings unrelated to&amp;nbsp; my Multiply&amp;nbsp; page &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;p style="text-align: right; font-size: 8px"&gt;Blogged with &lt;a href="http://www.flock.com/blogged-with-flock" title="Flock" target="_new"&gt;Flock&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268331733750535842-6848559141905958289?l=zliangas.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/feeds/6848559141905958289/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4268331733750535842&amp;postID=6848559141905958289&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/6848559141905958289'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4268331733750535842/posts/default/6848559141905958289'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://zliangas.blogspot.com/2008/01/reason-to-use-blogger.html' title='The reason to use Blogger'/><author><name>Zacharias Liangas</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15632749513465431581</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_J-YFPGKlLQE/R4Z_6r9MCQI/AAAAAAAAAE8/CglZvezlxqI/S220/DSC_3889.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
